Golders Green attack

[Gray2233]

Centuries? Bro, the Ottomans ran the Middle East until WWI... You're embarrassing yourself. Historical ignorance aside, let's stick to today... If we are "arming both sides" do me a favour and name the British firm currently supplying targeting lasers to the sides getting bombed... I can wait...

Treaty of the Dardanelles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Great Britain on 5 January 1809 at Çanak, Ottoman Empire. The treaty ended the Anglo-Turkish War. The Porte (the Ottoman government) restored extensive British commercial and legal privileges in the empire. Britain promised to protect the integrity of the Ottoman Empire against the French threat, both with its own fleet and through weapons supplies to Constantinople. The treaty affirmed the principle that no warships of any power should enter the straits of the Dardanelles and the Bosporus. The treaty anticipated the London Straits Convention of 1841, by which the other major powers committed themselves to this same principle.

The British supported the Ottomans for a very long time, this is just one particular instance but they absolutely did, every "great" empire traded for self interests in various ways.

Glass houses and stones, and all that.

They also began mass importing arms during the 20th century:

Weapons of the Ottoman Army | NZ History

The Ottoman Army went to war in 1914 with significant gaps in its arsenal, particularly in machine guns and field artillery.

nzhistory.govt.nz

Granted the above is a smaller window.

The fact the middle east, and as such empires or powers relating to it has been heavily importing western arms for donkey's years isn't exactly a myth.

 

[NVP]

Whilst yes, there is a war going over in the middle east to which the UK is involved in supplying some arms and bases for use of war. Thats the deal with treaties funny enough.

"That's the deal with treaties"??? Bro, there is no mutual defence treaty forcing our hand Zero. If you're confusing diplomatic MOUs with a legal obligation to supply offensive weapons, you're exactly the target audience for the government's PR unfortunately.

We didn't keep the F35 component supply line open because a treaty forced us to the government explicitly created a legal hole so BAE and Lockheed Martin wouldn't lose money. It's a commercial, profit driven choice to keep the geopolitical war machine running, not a legal requirement. Don't invent imaginary treaties to excuse the state actively facilitating a slaughter, unless that's what you're paid for...

 

[NVP]

Treaty of the Dardanelles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The British supported the Ottomans for a very long time, this is just one particular instance but they absolutely did, every "great" empire traded for self interests in various ways.

Glass houses and stones, and all that.

They also began mass importing arms during the 20th century:

Weapons of the Ottoman Army | NZ History

The Ottoman Army went to war in 1914 with significant gaps in its arsenal, particularly in machine guns and field artillery.

nzhistory.govt.nz

Granted the above is a smaller window.

The fact the middle east, and as such empires or powers relating to it has been heavily importing western arms for donkey's years isn't exactly a myth.

Imagine using an 1809 treaty about fighting the French Navy to justify BAE supplying F35 components to level city blocks in 2026... Arming the ruling Ottoman Empire in 1809 to help protect british naval interests from the french isn't "arming both sides" of a middle eastern conflict now is it? It's exactly what I said we do - picking one highly lucrative and strategic side and arming it to the teeth. Absolute mental gymnastics you're trying, don't hurt yourself.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

Young British teens are knifed and killed almost daily in this country.

Islamphobic attacks never get this level of cover.

It seems some lives are worth more then others.

This is being made into a massive issue due to the influence the Israelies have in our politics.

Its personal to Starmer as his wife is jewish as well as Labour's recent history of anti israeli semitism under its previous leader he feels the need to crack down hard on it.
Oh boy is this straying into politics now. This post is so toast.

 

[Gray2233]

Imagine using an 1809 treaty about fighting the French Navy to justify BAE supplying F35 components to level city blocks in 2026... Arming the ruling Ottoman Empire in 1809 to help protect british naval interests from the french isn't "arming both sides" of a middle eastern conflict now is it? It's exactly what I said we do - picking one highly lucrative and strategic side and arming it to the teeth. Absolute mental gymnastics you're trying, don't hurt yourself.

https://i.~ibb.co~/LDjz7DM7/moving-goal-posts-down-the-field.gif

I very much appreciate your proving my point, apologies to mods for any derailment on my behalf and I shall be bowing out from now on.

 

[sidimmu]

Don't invent imaginary treaties

I got the wrong word. Allegiances.
But thats enough of dragging this off topic into something further political, thats for SC.

Back on topic.
We've got another attacker who's been in jail and released from a mental health hospital whilst clearly still being a risk to the public. Public services been in the spotlight with the notts killer, different agencies yes, but same failings.

 

[NVP]

I'm glad that's enough for you both, another whisky for me though...

 

[GIBURROWS]

Remember kids, no drink posting.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

<rant>

None of these places mentioned are the UK. Hardly surprising that most of the members of this UK computer shop forum are based in the UK.
Plenty of talk on those subjects in SC.

Unsurprisingly many members will be more outraged by attacks in the place they live... Especially when the guy who did it had no business being here, given his history.

 

[Diddums]

A 10 page thread about about 2 Jews being attacked. How many pages did 120 school girls getting massacred in Iran, on purpose by demands of Jewish bribes in the corrupt Epstein American Isreali aliance? How many pages about all the schools and hospitals blown up by Epstein American Israeli Jewish aliance? How many pages on double tap attacks which involves launching a second strike on the exact same location on a civilian attack, a short time later—often once first responders, medical staff, and journalists have arrived to help victims they kill all of them, by the Epstein American Israeli Jewish aliance? There's probably 500,000 civilians dead in Gaza, every building, whether hospital, school or home is flattened and you people or all high over this and ignoring why it happened

Did you start a thread about this?

 

[jpaul]

... the price of fish

None of these places mentioned are the UK. Hardly surprising that most of the members of this UK computer shop forum are based in the UK.
Plenty of talk on those subjects in SC.

how many people here attendded just stop war protests or colston protests, most of opinions are based on media portrayal/angle and the world is now a smaller place (especially with representation of wars)
Both media and govt happy to suggest those UK protests are antisemitic and perpetuate the threat - but did you look at the (lack of) evidence,
all, not dissumilar to women feeling insecure on the streets.

 

[Caracus2k]

A Muslim woman was deliberately hit and run a month ago, not a word from MSM.

I've seen the video there's no evidence it was intentional or targeted and not just a case of a vehicle being driven recklessly. You can see the vehicle come around the corner at speed and collide with the woman almost immediately There's would have been next to no time for the driver to have the time to make a decision to target someone and there does not appear to be any information to suggest the vehicle or it's driver were around before to 'pre select' a target.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2032189902377365991

Also: was in the MSM

Horror moment woman 'sent flying' in street by car as police hunt driver

Police are searching for a driver who rammed a woman, sending her flying, before driving away from the scene of the incident - "detectives are working at pace to identify the suspect," they added

www.mirror.co.uk

Men have been gone to a large mosque in Manchester armed with axes, again zero coverage.

Is this the chap that turned up with his work belt and threatened no one? (and was reported in the press)

"There was no suggestion that he made any threats or confronted members of the congregation."

Man arrested after 'axe carried into mosque' in Manchester

Manchester Central Mosque said the "swift actions of its volunteers" had "contained the situation".

www.bbc.co.uk

'Armed with' seems to be doing a lot of heavy lifting if so.

There are countless hate crimes against Muslims all the time, including murders.

There really isn't, especially on a per capita basis and considering how over represented Muslims are internationally when it comes to commiting violence against other groups

I recall a few years ago a taxi driver murdered by a racist, a elderly man walking from the mosque murdered by a racist.

Vague posting but you appear to be alluding to the murder of Mushin Ahmed back in. 2015 that received press coverage at the time.

And they never will and it's no conspiracy that the Israelies have far too much influence in this country and the west in general it's a fact.

And there we have it...

And your usual reminder that we're dealing with an ideology that seperates the world into the areas it dominates and 'the house of war', was established by a warlord, who had the male members of a Jewish tribe beheaded because they didn't fight one of his enemies and launched a series of conquests that led to an Islamic army trying to defeat a Christian one near to Tours (modern day northern France) just 100 years after the ideologies founder died (732).

If a bunch or white 'right wing' males espoused a fraction of the ideology were dealing with here large section of the forum would wet themselves talking about how bad things were.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

You're right about the geopolitical context, but you're giving the attacker too much credit.

I have zero love for the Zionist project, what's happening over there is abhorrent and the UK's complicity in it is a disgrace to human rights, but conflating the murderous actions of a foreign state with two innocent blokes walking down a street in North London is exactly what the state of Israel wants people to do. They want to tie the religion to their state violence.

Being anti-Zionist means standing up for human life across the board. Stabbing random people on the street isn't "resistance" it's murder. **** this guy and his ******** attack, keep the pressure on the actual government enabling the slaughter abroad!

That's all fair!

Israel is a secular jewish state. It does not have an official religion. Judaism is the largest religion but israel guarantees freedom of religion unlike its neighbours. Some politicians spout on about religion and the state however Israel is defined as a jewish and democratic state in its basic law.

Sure. But, given their PM defines everything as being about Jews, I'm not sure what you're saying really holds up to any scrunity.

 

[Hagar]

What we do not need is murder on the streets of London and Manchester and other places. We do not need protests aimed at jewish life in the UK. At synagogues at universities, even in schools. We do not need or want antisematism in any of these places.

 

[Diddums]

We don't want any isms at all. Unfortunately we also live in a society where mouth breathing knuckle draggers who should've been drowned in a bucket at birth are not only encouraged to participate in our society, but are actively incentivised to do so by being given many gov handouts that you and I and everyone else pay for.

 

[NVP]

israel guarantees freedom of religion

Israel "guarantees freedom of religion" You literally can't get a civil marriage in Israel as the ultra orthodox ministry has a monopoly on it. If you're a secular jew, a reform jew, or want an interfaith marriage, the state legally forbids you from getting married on your own soil. Add to that their 2018 nation state act which constitutionally enshrined "national self-determination" exclusively for Jewish citizens, making the 20% Christian and Muslim population second-class.

Then we have the fact that church leaders in Jerusalem are currently begging the police to stop extremist settlers from spitting on Christian clergy and vandalising churches, and the "beacon of religious freedom" argument falls apart completely.

What we do not need is murder on the streets of London and Manchester and other places. We do not need protests aimed at jewish life in the UK. At synagogues at universities, even in schools. We do not need or want antisematism in any of these places.

We do not want racism or murder anywhere...

Also, what protests have been aimed at Jewish life?

 

[ci_newman]

This thread has run its course. The attacker has been arrested and the victims received medical care. Take up the various off topic discussions in SC.