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[Akagi]

Mrwong, you are actively posting about several conspiracies at once.

Have you been inside too long?

 

[mrochester]

I'm a big Apple fan and even I thought what they did was shady AF with the "planned obsolescence" battery.

Why is fixing a problem ‘planned obsolescence’ though? Surely NOT fixing it would be planned obsolescence?

I've never understood this backwards logic people engage in.

 

[Mrwong]

Of course it was, it fixed a problem with the hardware!

like I said, you’re making no sense.

You really believe that, you think they are acting in your best interest?

 

[LiE]

Why is fixing a problem ‘planned obsolescence’ though? Surely NOT fixing it would be planned obsolescence?

I've never understood this backwards logic people engage in.

It's the fact they slowed the phones down and weren't transparent about. This isn't normal in any other electronic device or done in any other phone. People were buying new phones because they simply thought their phones were getting slow, when they could just get a new battery, but they didn't have this information. Hence why Apple held their hands up and offered free battery replacements.

 

[mrochester]

You really believe that, you think they are acting in your best interest?

Of course they are? If they p me off I leave and go elsewhere. It’s absolutely in apples interests to keep me happy.

 

[mrochester]

It's the fact they slowed the phones down and weren't transparent about. This isn't normal in any other electronic device or done in any other phone. People were buying new phones because they simply thought their phones were getting slow, when they could just get a new battery, but they didn't have this information. Hence why Apple held their hands up and offered free battery replacements.

Absolutely the communication was poor but that doesn’t mean it’s suddenly a conspiracy theory...

 

[Mrwong]

Absolutely the communication was poor but that doesn’t mean it’s suddenly a conspiracy theory...

Companies rely on loyalty and need those loyal to keep buying their products. This type of behavior is done by most companies to keep people spending.

 

[mrochester]

Companies rely on loyalty and need those loyal to keep buying their products. This type of behavior is done by most companies to keep people spending.

And people remain loyal by not ******* them off...

Make crappy products, be deceitful or engage in bait and switch tactics and people will stop being loyal.

 

[LiE]

Absolutely the communication was poor but that doesn’t mean it’s suddenly a conspiracy theory...

C'mon man, I didn't say it was a conspiracy theory. It's a simple fact, Apple made the phones slower. They were under no illusion as to what this would do to older phones with poor battery health, especially with people in dark.

 

[mrochester]

C'mon man, I didn't say it was a conspiracy theory. It's a simple fact, Apple made the phones slower. They were under no illusion as to what this would do to older phones with poor battery health, especially with people in dark.

They made phones slower to fix the problem of them randomly switching off...

 

[LiE]

They made phones slower to fix the problem of them randomly switching off...

I'm very aware of what was done. Not sure what else to say, you keep coming back to this point and I've already responded to it.

It's the fact they slowed the phones down and weren't transparent about. This isn't normal in any other electronic device or done in any other phone. People were buying new phones because they simply thought their phones were getting slow, when they could just get a new battery, but they didn't have this information. Hence why Apple held their hands up and offered free battery replacements.

 

[mrochester]

I'm very aware of what was done. Not sure what else to say, you keep coming back to this point and I've already responded to it.

But I agree the communication was poor.
That doesn’t mean Apple are evil or that there was a ‘planned obsolescence’ conspiracy theory, it just means the communication was poor. And Apple made good on that by dramatically reducing the cost of new batteries. They did something wrong, they fixed it. That is a GOOD thing.

 

[Mrwong]

And people remain loyal by not ******* them off...

Make crappy products, be deceitful or engage in bait and switch tactics and people will stop being loyal.

Depends on the availability of that product and the how many companies can provide that product.
Majority of companies will try and get away with it, look at Facebook and the amount of negative issues that company had yet people still use it.

 

[mrochester]

Depends on the availability of that product and the how many companies can provide that product.
Majority of companies will try and get away with it, look at Facebook and the amount of negative issues that company had yet people still use it.

That’s because Facebook has a monopoly on social networking. Apple don’t have a monopoly on anything.

 

[LiE]

But I agree the communication was poor.
That doesn’t mean Apple are evil or that there was a ‘planned obsolescence’ conspiracy theory, it just means the communication was poor. And
Apple made good on that by dramatically reducing the cost of new batteries. They did something wrong, they fixed it. That is a GOOD thing.

Making something slower is exactly planned obsolescence, by definition.

Apple only came out and "made good" after they were caught.

I'm not say Apple sat round a table and decided to reduce performance to force people to upgrade (it was the fix, we know this), but by reducing performance and not telling users, in has that effect. The communication was the most important part about this, they decided to not tell users at all. There lies the issue.

 

[mrochester]

Making something slower is exactly planned obsolescence, by definition.

Apple only came out and "made good" after they were caught.

I'm not say Apple sat round a table and decided to reduce performance to force people to upgrade (it was the fix, we know this), but by reducing performance and not telling users, in has that effect. The communication was the most important part about this, they decided to not tell users at all. There lies the issue.

‘Planned obsolescence’ would be slowing a phone down for no reason. Apple had reason therefore it was not planned obsolescence.

Absolutely the communication was poor and Apple could have done better, but like I said, they made good on that.

 

[Mrwong]

‘Planned obsolescence’ would be slowing a phone down for no reason. Apple had reason therefore it was not planned obsolescence.

Absolutely the communication was poor and Apple could have done better, but like I said, they made good on that.

It was an excuse, very easy one infact. We all know batteries lose capacity.

 

[mrochester]

It was an excuse, very easy one infact. We all know batteries lose capacity.

You're making no sense again. The solution Apple implemented fixed the problem. If you don’t have the problem then you don’t see the fix.

 

[Mrwong]

You're making no sense again. The solution Apple implemented fixed the problem. If you don’t have the problem then you don’t see the fix.

Ok, no point arguing with you, if that is what your believe that is what you believe.

 

[mrochester]

Ok, no point arguing with you, if that is what your believe that is what you believe.

It’s not about believing, it’s about knowing the facts. I seem to be talking based on facts, you don’t. Why are you being intellectually dishonest? What is your motive?