Poll: Gordon Brown - yeh or ney

[cleanbluesky]

Or, as an alternative thesis, just how out of touch the OcUk forums are

Are you suggesting that the country in general are much more pro-Labour/ pro-Brown?

I'm curious as to what spurs your desires considering the near constant affection you show for the present government

 

[Visage]

Are you suggesting that the country in general are much more pro-Labour/ pro-Brown?

No, im suggesting that the results of an OCUK poll cannot be used to draw inferences as to the feelings of the country as a whole, as a t draws from a sample thats deeply unrepresentative.

I'm curious as to what spurs your desires considering the near constant affection you show for the present government

Near constant affection?

Can you cite some posts where I have shown affection?

 

[benjo plz.]

Or, as an alternative thesis, just how out of touch the OcUk forums are

I doubt it. Brown hasn't got much of a charisma, where as people such as Blair had. To the massess it's a popularity contest rather than an ability contest, and at the moment, Brown isn't winning. A certain guy called Dave is making himself far more popular, he even had the nerve to go on the Jonny Ross show, something Brown would never do. The Lib dems would also have a place in the running, if they hadn't kicked out Charlie K, as that triggered of all the affairs and gay boy stuff with people like Oaten. That said, the Liberals have never been very good with their Leaders for a long while.

 

[Rich_L]

No, im suggesting that the results of an OCUK poll cannot be used to draw inferences as to the feelings of the country as a whole, as a t draws from a sample thats deeply unrepresentative.

Not to mention year after year the actual election results are the total opposite to the election polls held on here which would support the view that the country as a whole is far more pro-Labour than the forum membership

Case in point:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17397558

Conservative - 42.5% (corrected for abstinence/ineligible)
Labour - 22%
Liberal Democrats - 26%

Actual results

Labour - 35.3%
Conservative - 32.3%
Lib Dems - 22.1%

 

[Visage]

Not to mention year after year the actual election results are the total opposite to the election polls held on here which would support the view that the country as a whole is far more pro-Labour than the forum membership

Exactly.

 

[benjo plz.]

Although tbh, this isn't really about elections, this is just about Brown.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

And many many workers have very little disposable income, particularly single people, and/or those who live in expensive areas.

perhaps they shouldn't have remained single, or they should've moved to less expensive areas....or isn't that politically correct either?

 

[Joe42]

Although tbh, this isn't really about elections, this is just about Brown.

Well as soon as Brown steps in theres going to be an election and our opinions of Brown will be one of the main factors used to decide who we vote for.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

Yeah Dundee, I know of a Restaurant that is called Dundees and we had that Homogay Movie called Crocodile Dundee filmed down here.

BLASPHEMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/scratches Zip from his christmas card list for daring to mock the work of genius that is Croc Dundee/2


/rant over.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

Brown is a bad, bad man and about as right for the job of PM as putting Oliver Reed and George Best in charge of your prized wine cellar.

And both are dead .... interesting.

 

[Berserker]

Although tbh, this isn't really about elections, this is just about Brown.

Indeed. I tried my best to design the poll to make it a straight Labour vs Labour contest for the very reason that this forum is very much pro-Conservative.

 

[nam]

Brown - has no charisma and is seen to be lacking genuine belief amongst most people, bottom line is charmisa and charm win elections. For that reason alone Cameron will win

 

[willd58]

David Cameron just keeps getting more likeable in my book, his recent security idea's are top notch and include

-Introducing a single, unified UK border police and proper border controls.
-Appointing a single minister to co-ordinate action to protect national security.
-Abolishing ID cards if they are introduced.
-Reforming the police to reduce top-down centralisation, targets and bureaucracy, and to introduce direct local accountability, modern management, and a single-minded focus on fighting crime.
-Protecting our freedoms and balancing them with responsibilities in a new Bill of Rights to replace the Human Rights Act.
-Maintaining strong and efficient Armed Forces to guarantee national security, and doing more to look after their families at home.
-Working to enhance international security relationships, and building into our energy policy an understanding of how energy insecurity threatens national security and stability.

I think hes going to be a big force in the upcoming elections, and I hope he pastes brown all over the wall. His idea's are top notch.

 

[Visage]

Brown - has no charisma and is seen to be lacking genuine belief amongst most people, bottom line is charmisa and charm win elections. For that reason alone Cameron will win

Counter Example: John Major.

 

[Visage]

David Cameron just keeps getting more likeable in my book, his recent security idea's are top notch and include

-Introducing a single, unified UK border police and proper border controls.
-Appointing a single minister to co-ordinate action to protect national security.
-Abolishing ID cards if they are introduced.
-Reforming the police to reduce top-down centralisation, targets and bureaucracy, and to introduce direct local accountability, modern management, and a single-minded focus on fighting crime.
-Protecting our freedoms and balancing them with responsibilities in a new Bill of Rights to replace the Human Rights Act.
-Maintaining strong and efficient Armed Forces to guarantee national security, and doing more to look after their families at home.
-Working to enhance international security relationships, and building into our energy policy an understanding of how energy insecurity threatens national security and stability.

I think hes going to be a big force in the upcoming elections, and I hope he pastes brown all over the wall. His idea's are top notch.

Sounds like meaningless soundbites to me.

Try doing an experiment - imagine him saying the opposite of all of those things - can you see how silly that would sound?

Thats always a pretty good sign that a politician is just spitballing.

Where's the costing for these plans? How will they be implemented? How will he remove the human rights act from UK law without renogiating the Treaties Of Rome and Maastrict with 25 other nations who wont play ball?

 

[willd58]

Sounds like meaningless soundbites to me.

Try doing an experiment - imagine him saying the opposite of all of those things - can you see how silly that would sound?

Thats always a pretty good sign that a politician is just spitballing.

Where's the costing for these plans? How will they be implemented? How will he remove the human rights act from UK law without renogiating the Treaties Of Rome and Maastrict with 25 other nations who wont play ball?

You think a decent Border patrol, opposition to ID cards, reforming the police and removing the PC culture that gives criminals buckets of KFC, whilst they hide of roofs throwing bricks, to protect there human rights are bad idea's?

 

[Visage]

You think a decent Border patrol, opposition to ID cards, reforming the police and removing the PC culture that gives criminals buckets of KFC, whilst they hide of roofs throwing bricks, to protect there human rights are bad idea's?

No - thats the point - they're as obvious as a politician saying 'We'll make the NHS better' - at the end of the day the HOW is far more important than the what.

Incidentally - why do we need a border patrol - are we that worried about the Scots and the Welsh?

 

[Beren]

No - thats the point - they're as obvious as a politician saying 'We'll make the NHS better' - at the end of the day the HOW is far more important than the what.

Absolutely.

I would happilly change my allegience if a party came up with some really good joined up thinking on the NHS, Education, Climate change, Transport and Foreign Policy. I will not big up my keyboard warrior self to say that I KNOW a better way of doing it. Like everyone else I have opinions that don't belong in this thread... solutions are what the political parties are supposed to do!