GordyR's Beginners Guide to Bodybuilding

benjo plz. · 22 Aug 2007 at 18:02

^ using whole milk and whey is meant to have the same sort of effect, as it coagulates. Quark's a very good source of casein, but MP BTE sounds good too.

B&W · 22 Aug 2007 at 18:12

SK07 said:
At say 10-11PM or so, what do you all eat or rec to eat? I usually have 2 slices of wholemeal, toasted with jam. Maybe to much carbs so really why im asking this question.

Also can anyone give me a rec cereal?

Cheers.

Depends, sometimes cereal with milk. Can be cornflakes, cheerios, etc. Other times I mite have some toast with cheese or yogourt ans nuts.

MTA99 · 22 Aug 2007 at 21:08

Phnom_Penh said:
.....MP BTE sounds good too.

I find DOMS is reduced when taking MP BTE (how many acronyms

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Chong Warrior · 22 Aug 2007 at 22:09

I never eat carbs before bed. I always have something high in casein with some fats.

SK07 · 22 Aug 2007 at 22:53

Chong Warrior said:
I never eat carbs before bed. I always have something high in casein with some fats.

Do you ever eat anything other than something to do with supplements. Food which can be bought in store etc.

What about oakcakes? for bowl of oats, which brand? theres so many different type cereals.

Chong Warrior · 22 Aug 2007 at 23:02

SK07 said:
Do you ever eat anything other than something to do with supplements. Food which can be bought in store etc.

SK07 · 22 Aug 2007 at 23:05

Chong Warrior said:

Thought casein was a supplement? if not whats high in casein?

benjo plz. · 22 Aug 2007 at 23:35

What's your take on colostrum Chong?

SK07 said:
Thought casein was a supplement? if not whats high in casein?

it's a protein, same as whey. Best sources are either Quark, or a powder.

Skull · 22 Aug 2007 at 23:49

SK07 said:
Thought casein was a supplement? if not whats high in casein?

Casein is a protein that digests slowly meaning you're supplied with protein all night preventing catabolism. Cheese and milk are rich in it but their high fat content makes isolated casein a more sensible option.

Supplements = evil

SK07 · 23 Aug 2007 at 00:04

lol, well if im wanting to lose body fat (maintaing muscle) would it be a good idea to have quark before sleep or would it just put fat on?

Chong Warrior · 23 Aug 2007 at 00:53

Phnom_Penh said:
What's your take on colostrum Chong?

Too expensive. I looked into it ages ago but just doesn't make sense to spend that much money on it.

Skull said:
Supplements = evil

Indeed, look what they did to me.... I just sit in the gym munching on vitamin pills, snorting creatine and injecting pure amino acids!

Ultra_Extreme · 23 Aug 2007 at 01:18

Chong Warrior said:
Indeed, look what they did to me.... I just sit in the gym munching on vitamin pills, snorting creatine and injecting pure amino acids!

those B@$*&^S! Now your 100+ kilos lean and can squat twice your bodyweight, look at what you're doing to yourself man! Just think of the children, wont somebody PLEASE think of the children!!!!

benjo plz. · 23 Aug 2007 at 11:16

Ultra_Extreme said:
those B@$*&^S! Now your 100+ kilos lean and can squat twice your bodyweight, look at what you're doing to yourself man! Just think of the children, wont somebody PLEASE think of the children!!!!

I don't really agree, supplements aren't evil, but it's better (imo anyway) to have a sufficient diet, than use vitamin pills, whey etc to support it. Main problem is the cost, more than anything else.

MTA99 · 23 Aug 2007 at 11:49

Supplement: A nutrient or phytochemical supplied in addition to that which is obtained in the diet.
Source: http://www.nutrabio.com/Definitions/definitions_s.htm

Come on people lets not lose sight of reality here! Protein, multi-vitamins and "sports supps" (like creatine etc.) are there as a supplement, an addition, a support to an already healthy, well balanced diet. I'm positive that no one on this forum uses whey as their *only* source of protein!!

Of course we could all get the vits, minerals and macros we need from "whole foods" but sometimes due to work, time, family and/or cost (all real life considerations) its necessary to make a "meal" from whey, oats, fish oil/flax etc.

MTA99 · 23 Aug 2007 at 11:57

SK07 said:
Do you ever eat anything other than something to do with supplements. Food which can be bought in store etc.

You've really not been hanging round here long enough yet to realise how wrong that statement is

SK07 said:
What about oakcakes? for bowl of oats, which brand? theres so many different type cereals.

CW got me eating Tesco Organic Jumbo Rolled Oats. ~£1 for 750gms. A little more expensive than your average own brand oats but they are more "oaty" and when blended (in a dry blender) to a powder they produce a finer flour than smaller, cheaper oats.

SK07 said:
lol, well if im wanting to lose body fat (maintaing muscle) would it be a good idea to have quark before sleep or would it just put fat on?

Quark is ultra low in fat and low in carbs but fairly high in protein (casein). Its a better option that toast with jam imho

benjo plz. · 23 Aug 2007 at 12:06

Quark and options before bed's pretty damn good

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SK07 · 23 Aug 2007 at 12:57

MTA99 said:
You've really not been hanging round here long enough yet to realise how wrong that statement is

CW got me eating Tesco Organic Jumbo Rolled Oats. ~£1 for 750gms. A little more expensive than your average own brand oats but they are more "oaty" and when blended (in a dry blender) to a powder they produce a finer flour than smaller, cheaper oats.

Quark is ultra low in fat and low in carbs but fairly high in protein (casein). Its a better option that toast with jam imho

Alright I'll give that a shot. What I meant from the original statement was is there anything other than supps you take before bed, as in a question rather than a hostile or sarcastic comment.

MTA99 · 23 Aug 2007 at 13:31

SK07 said:
Alright I'll give that a shot. What I meant from the original statement was is there anything other than supps you take before bed, as in a question rather than a hostile or sarcastic comment.

When you go shopping for Quark its usually in the cheese section next to ricotta and the like. DON'T FORGET the options tho, quark on its own is really sour :eek:

However you meant that comment i'm sure CW took it in a friendly way, unless he's got supp rage.......you really don't wanna mess when he's supp'd up to the eyeballs :mad:

SK07 · 23 Aug 2007 at 16:06

MTA99 said:
When you go shopping for Quark its usually in the cheese section next to ricotta and the like. DON'T FORGET the options tho, quark on its own is really sour

However you meant that comment i'm sure CW took it in a friendly way, unless he's got supp rage.......you really don't wanna mess when he's supp'd up to the eyeballs

Lol a lot of you say no to supps and a lot say yes. I'll give it a miss for now incase I get any bad side effects such as gaining fat or something.

So what flavour of this quark do you rec?

MTA99 · 23 Aug 2007 at 16:16

SK07 said:
Lol a lot of you say no to supps and a lot say yes. I'll give it a miss for now incase I get any bad side effects such as gaining fat or something.

So what flavour of this quark do you rec?

Quark is always unflavoured, what most of us do is add a hot chocolate powder called Options. It'll be with the tea and coffee, near the drinking chocolate. It comes in small sachets in various flavours ~22p a time. Choc orange is the best but choc mint is also good. I've tried some of the other flavours and they're not strong enough to mask the natural sour taste of the quark.

The options is low cal, low carb so don't worry about "gaining fat"