Got raped by Steam

valve in stupid rules and poor CS shocker, they arent the golden messiah of gaming fanboys want you to think they are

steam are after one thing, your money, end of! they dont give a **** about anything or anyone else, people seriously need to stop kissing Gabe's fat ***
 
Thats a shame. I hope it gets sorted. Is there anything in Steam's T and Cs that say all digital property remains and belongs to Valve PLC or whatever?

I know most MMO based games used to have similar stuff in their T and Cs to pretty much allow them to do what they want when it comes to selling in game items.

Ive got a Bills hat for TF2 if you want to buy it off me. Ten millllion pounds!
 
This is why I stopped bothering with trading after a while, too much of a risk.

It's a great system, however they shouldn't ban people for receiving stolen e-goods, if there was a legitimate trade they should go deeper into who actually took the item from the compromised account and action bans from there. The difficulty is if someone gets their account hacked and trades directly to you, there's no way you can prove your innocence.
 
Glad I'm not involved in the trading side of things then!

But I do feel for you man, I'd be fuming if I lost my steam account - good luck getting it back!
 
Call EA **** and all, but their support is excellent. Amazon delivered my copy of SimCity later than expected so I missed the free game promotion, but the live chat guy still gave me a code for BF3.

Valve would have told me to **** off, couple that with stupidly long response times.

People might like Valve for their early work, but what have they done in the last 3 years except for sequels? No truly original games from them in ages. I'm thinking that they are becoming rather complacent off the success of Steam.

I do hope Steambox becomes a something though, but I am questioning their decision to support Ubuntu which I consider to be adware nowadays.
 
Bacon? said:
If you got arrested by the police and they refused to say why would you call that fair?
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Except he knows it's for receiving stolen games, which in your analogy is an offence.

Surely it's steams fault for allowing stolen games to be sold, shouldn't they be protecting the buyers ?

MW
 
Mr-White said:
Except he knows it's for receiving stolen games, which in your analogy is an offence.

Surely it's steams fault for allowing stolen games to be sold, shouldn't they be protecting the buyers ?

MW
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His anology doesn't quite work, but I can see where he was coming from.

A better one would be along the lines of being stopped and cautioned by the police for buying what turns out to be stolen goods from what seems to be perfectly legitimate market stall.
 
It might have been prevented by cashing in his chips and bailing out before it got to this stage.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying OP is at fault, but I think it would have been a wise precaution to have bailed as soon as the warnings came along - that or get in touch with support then.

Although, hindsight is 20/20.
 
Skyfall said:
If you all think this is a cut and dry case you are completely wrong. Using the defence "how am I supposed to know it was stolen goods" does not hold up with physical items, nor does it hold up on steam with "digital" goods.

If the police found that you were repeatedly selling stolen good from a shop I'm sure just shrugging and saying "how am I supposed to know" would totally cut it.

I'm not saying there is a foolproof way or even a way to verify these people you are dealing with or the goods they are trading to you but that doesn't give you carte blanche to ignore Valve's warnings that this was happening and continue to trade in items of which you have no idea of the legality.

People are also seeing this from a consumer point of view, if he was just an innocent consumer who had been sent one or two dodgy games then yes this would be ridiculous. But to set up a business or service to trade these items in bulk is totally different. It is entirely normal for shops receiving goods from customers to take customer details.

I hope, assuming that you are legit, that you get this sorted but the only way I can see this working going ahead is if they set up some way to let you know what is illegal or not so you can possibly avoid trading with the same people more than once.

Further, please consider that in the same way you have alleged you have no way to know the items are illegal or stolen. How can Valve know that you are not deliberately dealing in these goods? The same defence you are using to get out of this the exact same reasoning for Valve to shut you down.

There is no malicious intent in this post or my first one, I am sorry this has happened to you, but as you felt the need to inform us of your plight I felt the need to present a counter argument and a bit of sense.
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Just to re-iterate:

ChrisJSY said:
Don't be an idiot. Seriously, listen to yourself.
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You don't drive down a road with a broken bridge on it, do you?

This IS Steam's fault, and nothing will change that. Their system is fundamentally flawed (or skewed). But an important question is that if you knew the system was flawed, why did you continue using it? That, will not change either.
 
Skyfall said:
If you all think this is a cut and dry case you are completely wrong. Using the defence "how am I supposed to know it was stolen goods" does not hold up with physical items
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Actually, in many cases it does. It's perhaps best you familiarise yourself with the law around handling stolen goods if you wish to quote it to support a point. There needs to be reasonable knowledge that the goods were stolen to be guilty of an offence.
 
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