The way I see it, the likes of Nvidia could easily increase supply if they wanted to, it’s not as if they are some small time outfit struggling with cash flow for investment in such increases after all, ultimately I think it suits them not to do so....
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Explain how increasing supply solves the problem of 1000 GPUs being 10x more profitable than 100 GPUs.
Whilst every GPU is profitable, where is the ceiling for demand? Can you answer that?
What I mean is couldn't the likes of Intel make a chip that is ideal for mining, which would then add some competition and bring down prices. At the moment there isn't enough supply to meet demand which is what is allowing the manufacturers and retailers to charge whatever they like.
I'm guessing its not just as easy as that to knock a gpu together lol, probably something that might happen years from now if crypto mining stays a thing. I'm personally hoping it will all just come crashing down, but that doesn't look likely.
Mining is just matrix math operations. Exactly the same matrix math operations that go into translating meshes and textures into pretty pixels on your monitor. If it's good for gaming, it's good for mining.
Besides that, cryptocurencies are now specifically designed to be most efficient on consumer GPUs. It's a design objective that mining is done on home PCs, because decentralised is the next big thing apparently (while everything else in tech is done with decentralised P2P and evolving back into more centralised archtectures...but hey ho).
Nvidia or AMD and their partners do not have any RAM production facilities of their own. So they are not in control of the supply.
Nvidia & AMD and their partners are generally small companies compared to the companies they are competing with for chip supply, in particular the RAM chips.
Note Nvidia did increase supply by 30% in the Q3. I also suspect the 1070ti main reason to existing wasn't because of Vega, but because GDDR5X production was at max. So they only way to sell more 1080 GPUs was to make one that used GDDR5 which has more availability, but still limited. The reason for me thinking this is the core 1070ti chip is too close to the 1080. I suspect a lot of the 1070ti cores are viable 1080 cores.
As I and many others have said, it take years and billions to bring a new fab online (which is happening), so capacity is limited and demand is outstripping supply.
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You can't just throw up a new fab for a demand that can (and has before) evaporate overnight.
I think its one of best topics on this forums. Or at least since I joined years back.
It shows how much population got NO CLUE what so ever how it all works!!! And then think about it its overclockers forum so typical JOE has even Less feneral knowlege how electronics is produced and by who ect.
Those epic ideas that NV or AMD never came up with like: lets make mor cards!!! Or lets build more favtories!!! Lets make cards usrless for mining and so on.
It trully opens eyes of Techy people how majority of population thinks it all easy to change in matter of one day.
It shows how much population got NO CLUE what so ever how it all works!!! And then think about it its overclockers forum so typical JOE has even Less feneral knowlege how electronics is produced and by who ect.
Those epic ideas that NV or AMD never came up with like: lets make mor cards!!! Or lets build more favtories!!! Lets make cards usrless for mining and so on.
It trully opens eyes of Techy people how majority of population thinks it all easy to change in matter of one day.
It will be interesting to see what happens if the bitcoin price continues to fall over the next few months. If it does then there could be a lot of the smaller miners selling their cards and exiting the market. The GPU manufacturers would then be faced with falling demand and competing with a large number of used cards being sold off.
It depends on what bitcoin does of course. But I wouldn't be buying a GPU for gaming right now unless I had to.
It depends on what bitcoin does of course. But I wouldn't be buying a GPU for gaming right now unless I had to.
As there's no actual wealth generation in the crypto ecosystem, it's all down to whether or not there is enough new fiat money flowing into cryptocurrency to pay the miner's electricity costs. As long as the money flow in exceeds the money flow out, miners will continue to hoover up GPUs and cream off that difference.
All crypto was on a huge bull run last year so most people in it have become accustomed to an environment when most people can 'win'. What that landscape normalises to one where there's a loser for every winner....things may change extremely rapidly.
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Always been volatile. 
If you bought bitcoin in Dec or early Jan and sold it today you would have lost half your money.
2nd hand Gfx car prices to me look maybe 10% lower in the last week? New ASICS said to be on the way. Apple putting iphone X production on hold/50% due to oversupply rumours. Cards on sale at OCUK at original RRPs!
Signs of a thaw? Too early to call spring yet though!
2nd hand Gfx car prices to me look maybe 10% lower in the last week? New ASICS said to be on the way. Apple putting iphone X production on hold/50% due to oversupply rumours. Cards on sale at OCUK at original RRPs!
Signs of a thaw? Too early to call spring yet though!
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ASICs do not really impact GPU sales/pricing, they are used on different algo's.
What is mad is if you purchased BTC before mid November and still holding, you will still have turned a profit.
Doesn't matter what algo they are doing. The way I see it is that they are all mining the same pool of investor confidence/money input somehow.
The guys ordering the Samsung Asics must have calculated it would give them a leg up on something that they can convert into bitcoin etc to sell.
The guys ordering the Samsung Asics must have calculated it would give them a leg up on something that they can convert into bitcoin etc to sell.