GPU's have stalled like CPU's

[Sasahara]

Miners are buying the cards at almost any price.

I don't think we can take that as evidence that all or even most gamers are happy with current prices.

Let's also not blame Brexit for this... both the 1080 and 1070 were released *before* the referendum, and showed that nV had priced all their Pascal cards a tier higher than Maxwell.

And finally you can eliminate the Brexit effect altogether by comparing the price in USD. 480 released as $239. Before the 390 release the 290 price had settled at $249, down from initial release of $399. The 390, despite being a re-brand, was bumped up to $329 on release.

The point is, even if you compare in USD, we've had the same perf for $249 since... let's see... Q4 2014. That's when the 290 was widely available at this price. Now the 480 is the same perf, give or take, for the same USD, 3 years later. USD prices have not been affected by Brexit

Some people say, "You can only compare release prices!!!!1 LOL", but the point is you could get 480 perf for 480 price in Q4 2014.

Brexit still had an effect and the 1080/1070 prices were affected as most retailer pay on account in USD (30 days or so), so they had to pay for them after Brexit. This means on some cards they lost money, then the price went up.

Without Brexit and mining you would probably get an 8GB 580 for £170 or less. 8Gb 480s were available for a short period under £180 early this year with the Brexit effect, so would have been even cheaper with out it.

 

[greatash]

well its not as bad as CPUs, took 6 years to get a reasonable upgrade from my 2500k at the same price point.

mid range gpus have been stuck in the same price/perf since the 970 and 290s, if you want more you pay more sadly. gone are the days of seeing 50%+ perf jumps in the same price range.

maybe this will change and Volta will be at Maxwell prices, who knows

 

[mid_gen]

My r9 290 that I bought on release keeps up with the 480/580 and 1060 once overclocked. That's a four year old GPU keeping up with today's cards in the same price bracket, it's ridiculous. A £250-300 GPU should streets ahead after 4 years

Yep it's a pretty poor state of affairs. I have a 970 which isn't enough to drive my 2560x1600 monitor in games.

I'm not spending 500+ on a GPU.

Where is my mid-range upgrade to a card that'll run games at 3k?

 

[Griffildur]

AMD are not to blame for that

you seem to forget that AMD were the top dog, had all the money in world and all the market share in the world. They lost it all and no, they can't blame anyone else for it. If you don't see that, there's a word for that as well ...

 

[Griffildur]

well its not as bad as CPUs, took 6 years to get a reasonable upgrade from my 2500k at the same price point.

mid range gpus have been stuck in the same price/perf since the 970 and 290s, if you want more you pay more sadly. gone are the days of seeing 50%+ perf jumps in the same price range.

maybe this will change and Volta will be at Maxwell prices, who knows

you might be right, but it may also be that we are getting near the end of what we can do with the current way of building GPUs. Smaller and smaller, more efficient but there comes a point where the optimisations are as far as they will ever go. We probably need a completely different way of building them and that's not going to happen over night.

 

[~>Dg<~]

i think many people forget developers of games and making them run on older hardware pretty decent on the whole.i dont think there is much of a issue cards that are pretty old can still run most games at 1080 just not top end new titles.

plenty of the amd cards have been great and not far off top performance.

 

[V F]

you might be right, but it may also be that we are getting near the end of what we can do with the current way of building GPUs. Smaller and smaller, more efficient but there comes a point where the optimisations are as far as they will ever go. We probably need a completely different way of building them and that's not going to happen over night.

Considering what Naughty Dog and Guerrilla done with Uncharted 4 and Horizon Zero Dawn on the base PS4.

 

[eddyr]

you seem to forget that AMD were the top dog, had all the money in world and all the market share in the world. They lost it all and no, they can't blame anyone else for it. If you don't see that, there's a word for that as well ...

Did they, how far back do you have to go for that? Going by this chart of discrete market share, in the last 14 years, ATI/AMD GPU side were only the dominant market share holder for shipping discrete gpu's for ~1 year back in 04/05.

http://www.eracerx.com/misc/gpu_marketshare_2003-2015.png

 

[muon]

I would argue that it is because Maxwell/Pascal are just that good.

I wonder if nvidia is having a difficult time improving on the IPC other than just tacking on faster memory.

Something also affecting CPUs and mobile chips is that we will have been stuck on 14nm for a long time by the end of 2018.

 

[Dave2150]

You can thank AMD's utter lack of effort for that. They haven't been competitive in years.
Hopefully they can emulate their Ryzen success on the GPU front with Vega - but I sincerely doubt that very much.

Even when AMD were competitive, all the sheep still bought NVIDIA, hence why AMD has such a small R&D department compared to NVIDIA and so has been unable to keep up.

 

[V F]

Did they, how far back do you have to go for that? Going by this chart of discrete market share, in the last 14 years, ATI/AMD GPU side were only the dominant market share holder for shipping discrete gpu's for ~1 year back in 04/05.

http://www.eracerx.com/misc/gpu_marketshare_2003-2015.png

That is worse than I thought the way some went on about it.

Even when AMD were competitive, all the sheep still bought NVIDIA, hence why AMD has such a small R&D department compared to NVIDIA and so has been unable to keep up.

Sheep? If someone delivers for them that makes them sheep?

Some members on this forum can be really something sometimes. They condemn you for being loyal to a company, yet if you chase the performance you're sheep.

 

[Dave2150]

Did they, how far back do you have to go for that? Going by this chart of discrete market share, in the last 14 years, ATI/AMD GPU side were only the dominant market share holder for shipping discrete gpu's for ~1 year back in 04/05.

http://www.eracerx.com/misc/gpu_marketshare_2003-2015.png

He's making things up as normal. Another for the good old ignore list I think.

 

[schneeb]

Consoles...

 

[tyler_jrb]

Mining, brexit and no competition from AMD are the main causes right now.

Although you are quite wrong in some regards.

770-970-1070.

They all pretty much launched at the same price while being a lot quicker than the last gen.

 

[KNiVES]

Oh and .5 missing vram?

Yes, the 970 was missing half a gigabyte of memory and it still trashed AMD. It was the most common card on Steam's hardware survey until the 1060 took its spot.

In fact, let's have a look at the survey; http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

Significantly more green than red. That wasn't because somehow millions of Steam users were duped or brainwashed into buying nvidia without merit. That's just the way it is.

 

[V F]

Interesting. Damn, look how low down the list the 1080 Ti is. I'm not surprised where the 1070 sits. As most gaming forums for fps and sim racers has that card.

 

[Griffildur]

Even when AMD were competitive, all the sheep still bought NVIDIA, hence why AMD has such a small R&D department compared to NVIDIA and so has been unable to keep up.

way to go dude, insult everyone when you clearly have no argument at all.

 

[humbug]

Considering I've only owned one GTX680 and every other GPU has been AMD I'd disagree.

You want to gloss over AMD's faults and focus on Nvidia, that's all you care about. You've not even read the post correctly. I wasn't making Nvidia sound perfect. Your post was pro AMD, ignoring the faults with those products you've praised.

Also, the 7970 was clocked at what AMD clocked it at, they could have clocked it at 1GHZ from the get go, they chose not to.

No it wasn't.

I never made any good or bad point about either GPU, I deliberately avoided that because i know it triggers some people, i simply made the point that AMD despite having been competitive with nVidia they still lost market share.

For whatever strange reason that prompted you to make it about what was wrong with GPU's only you went on the attack listing everything that was bad about AMD as if only AMD had anything negative to list.

Oh and BTW, my current GPU is a GTX 1070, my last GPU was a GTX 970, so yeah, wind your neck in, both vendors have had bad and good points and AMD have been losing market share to nVidia for the best part of a decade no matter how competitive they were.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

way to go dude, insult everyone when you clearly have no argument at all.

To be fair, pretty much everyone I know that has little information and doesn't do much research tells me Nvidia are the best without giving actual reasons. It's been this way for at least 10 years and while I know that some of their cards actually are better and some are worse, the mindshare definitely is in Nvidia's court.

 

[Caracus2k]

Should always compare the $ price of CPU's and gpu's when comparing generations as that's what their sold in and the £/$ has fluctuated a lot over the past 15 years