Greece Elections

VAT rising from 13% to 23%. No wonder the Eurozone was reluctant to provide further help to Greece when they hadn't even adopted basic austerity measures like that. As much as I hate VAT it's a good one to raise when you need cash because it's difficult to avoid.
 
scorza said:
VAT rising from 13% to 23%. No wonder the Eurozone was reluctant to provide further help to Greece when they hadn't even adopted basic austerity measures like that. As much as I hate VAT it's a good one to raise when you need cash because it's difficult to avoid.
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Don't underestimate the resourcefulness of the Greek people. Talk to anyone who has come back from a Greek Island and they will most likely tell you a lot of restaurants and bars only take cash payments just so they can avoid the VAT.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Don't underestimate the resourcefulness of the Greek people. Talk to anyone who has come back from a Greek Island and they will most likely tell you a lot of restaurants and bars only take cash payments just so they can avoid the VAT.
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There comes a point where resourcefulness bankrupts your country, a country the Greeks 'apparently' love.

Naff8000 said:
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/ben-bernanke/posts/2015/07/17-greece-and-europe

Interesting blog by Bernanke. I don't know how you can blame Germany for being competitively sharp.
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Germany abuses it's position by getting less well off nations to join the currency, thus making the EURO weaker and exports from Germany are dirt cheap.

However, Southern Economies even prior to the EURO sucked in comparison to Central Economies.
 
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They want to setup a european government. I have been saying for at least 10 years that it was the goal all a long from these communist leaders like Hollande and the other eu tyrants.

It is Diocletian problem, reaction, solution. The solution being what they are after from the start. Then they create the problem (greece), then they react, then they offer the solution that they were after from the start. Same tactics 2000 years later.
 
anything I don't mind said:
They want to setup a european government. I have been saying for at least 10 years that it was the goal all a long from these communist leaders like Hollande and the other eu tyrants.

It is Diocletian problem, reaction, solution. The solution being what they are after from the start. Then they create the problem (greece), then they react, then they offer the solution that they were after from the start. Same tactics 2000 years later.
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Lol. I can imagine Hollande the tyrant, driving around on his scooter terrorising the EU citizens.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Don't underestimate the resourcefulness of the Greek people. Talk to anyone who has come back from a Greek Island and they will most likely tell you a lot of restaurants and bars only take cash payments just so they can avoid the VAT.
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with controls on max cash you can withdraw per day , it will come to a point of having to use plastic to pay.
 
Zethor said:
Lol. I can imagine Hollande the tyrant, driving around on his scooter terrorising the EU citizens.
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You might laugh but these eu bureaucrats fit all the characteristics of tyrants.

http://www.constitution.org/tyr/prin_tyr.htm

Tyrant check list:

Control of public information and opinion

Vote fraud used to prevent the election of reformers

Undue official influence on trials and juries

Usurpation of undelegated powers

Seeking a government monopoly on the capability and use of armed force

Militarization of law enforcement

Infiltration and subversion of citizen groups that could be forces for reform

Suppression of investigators and whistleblowers

Use of the law for competition suppression

Subversion of internal checks and balances

Creation of a class of officials who are above the law

Increasing dependency of the people on government

Increasing public ignorance of their civic duties and reluctance to perform them

Use of staged events to produce popular support

Conversion of rights into privileges

Political correctness
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Zethor said:
Nice crazies magnet site you've found there. :D

By the way, can you give me an example of a historical tyrant that used political corectness to achieve their goals?
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I just googled tyrant and came across that site. I don't see how a site about the constitution is a crazies magnet, unless you are against the concept of constitution, which i would not find surprising for an advocate of the EU, considering it is a tyrannical entity that seeks to take over europe.

Political correctness is a relatively new method of tyrannical dominance. That doesn't mean it is any less valid.
 
Lol

Wonder if someone else will be elected on an anti austerity promise...

they're just delaying the inevitable it seems - v.little chance of carrying on at this rate, good chance of default sooner or later
 
Flipping crazy. I know people make jokes about Greek Tragedies but how long can this state of chaos go on for? They've got swarms of marauding immigrants arriving on their islands, the government has got no money and is slowly dismantling the instruments of state :(
 
Well in the last 6 months I've visited about half a dozen Greek ports including Athens and life seemed pretty normal for Greece everywhere.

27 years ago I visited Athens and it was a right mess, this time it looked like a thriving clean city with plenty going on.

I think if anything wealth distribution is the problem not money.

My feeling rightly or wrongly is that they've never had it so good.

Cashpoint queues , no worse than the UK, begging, homeless, again no worse than the UK.
 
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