Poll: Greenlizard0 PL & Championship Football Thread ** spoilers ** [11th - 13th July 2020]

[BaZ87]

and in that match
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...h-6th-july-2020.18891998/page-4#post-33739487

The correct decision was made

 

[BaZ87]

Haven’t read thread.

However, VAR against Utd @BaZ87 @omnomnom

Come back when you've had 13 penalties given against you and 101 VAR calls

 

[BaZ87]

Nah the force is irrelevant. Its a red card.

Force is absolutely relevant. A studs up or high challenge isn't automatically a red card, it's only if it's considered dangerous and risked injuring the opposition player - how much force goes into a challenge will influence whether a challenge is just reckless or dangerous. In this case it was dangerous.

 

[BaZ87]

Right but in the case we are discussing hes gone to hurt him. At a snails pace or otherwise.

JWP hasnt gone to hurt Maguire its just unfortunate that hes caught him.

I'd argue that you couldn't hurt somebody with a challenge at snails pace, therefore it wouldn't be considered dangerous.

 

[BaZ87]

Id argue that he hasnt gone to challenge for the ball and instead essentially kicked him off the ball. Obviously it wasnt snails pace but he has zero intention of going for the ball and therefore hes walking.

If you arent going for the ball and its clear like in this case you arent why is force relevant?

Then you're sending people off for shirt pulls and the like too. I think we had this debate after the Son red card vs Everton - those aren't the rules, whether you agree or not.

 

[BaZ87]

It wasnt me that said he went to do him. Neville did. If thats his intention then why is he arguing that the force is relevant? It isnt...his intention at that moment is to hurt Greenwood in some way therefore the force is completely irrelevant.

Because the rules state that it's only a red card if excessive force has been used and endangered the opposition player. That's the rules and why it's relevant.

 

[BaZ87]

Correct. Theres also "serious foul play" which id argue that is.

No, that is the criteria for serious foul play.

 

[BaZ87]

You can see why Walker Peters didn't make it at Spurs. He looks like a championship player.

 

[BaZ87]

Ralph Hasenhuttl is a very good manager. I know their League position might not show it but Southampton are a very good side. If they can add some more individual quality to their side they'll climb the table very quickly.

 

[BaZ87]

Spurs should get him

They could do a hell of a lot worse. If you look at Southampton's squad, it's one of the weakest in the League.

 

[BaZ87]

will be side by side in uefa next year

Don't think 9th place gets a Europa spot mate

No penalty = no Utd win

Just jesting

But also factually correct

 

[BaZ87]

Leicester vs Man Utd, last game of the season could be a great one.

Chelsea - Wolves too. The season was starting to look over with the bottom 3 down and the top 5 settled but Villa and Bournemouth winning + City's ban getting overturned has spiced things up.

 

[BaZ87]

zomg11!!11! VAR cost us the game @BaZ87 @omnomnom

Decisions are starting to even themselves out, be prepared to lose your next 12 games

edit: And do you want to borrow a Liverpool shirt for the Liverpool - Chelsea game?

 

[BaZ87]

So @ThestigGT999 will you be supporting Liverpool next week?

 

[BaZ87]

Tbf I don't think Maguire's marking Wan-Bissaka - when you watch the replay it's actually Wan-Bissaka mistaking Maguire for a Southampton player and blocking him off. Maguire's still to blame though. Utd zonally mark and he was too keen to attack the ball that wasn't in his zone - even if Maguire doesn't get blocked, he's not getting to the ball because Matic's flick takes him out of the game. Lindelof probably should have done better filling in behind but the Southampton player was very clever putting himself between Lindelof and the ball.