Greenlizard0 PL & Championship Football Thread ** spoilers ** [7th - 12th May 2022]

BaZ87 said:
You are so wrong it's frightening. Liverpool's wage bill in 19/20 was £326m, Arsenal's was £225m. These are figures taken from club accounts, not made up nonsense on twitter.
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Got it off here.

2020-2021 Arsenal FC Salaries and Contracts

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Feel free to post your link.

But again you said Arsenal can't pay the wages Liverpool do, well you paid Ozil 350k a week and others who have earned more than any Liverpool player.
 
jonneymendoza said:
He probably read it on twitter lol
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The whole thing started by some poster saying Arsenal can't pay players what Liverpool do, Ozil 350k, Aubameyang 250k, which Liverpool players get this

I'm not on twitter so no, it was the first link that came up on a google search, lol

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scarps said:
The whole thing started by some poster saying Arsenal can't pay players what Liverpool do, Ozil 350k, Aubameyang 250k, which Liverpool players get this

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None. We pay players with Quavers, I read it on twitter so it must be true. I have no idea how we're paying £300m+ per season in wages considering our highest earner is on 2 Fredo's and a pack of Jaffa cakes per week.
 
BaZ87 said:
None. We pay players with Quavers, I read it on twitter so it must be true. I have no idea how we're paying £300m+ per season in wages considering our highest earner is on 2 Fredo's and a pack of Jaffa cakes per week.
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Well I've found a updated one which still shows its only 170m a year and VVD highest at 240k.

So what is missing off these sites that the proper one gets it up to 320m?

Proper answer not a daft one, just interested
 
scarps said:
Well I've found a updated one which still shows its only 170m a year and VVD highest at 240k.

So what is missing off these sites that the proper one gets it up to 320m?

Proper answer not a daft one, just interested
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Maybe most of the Liverpool players are over 100k vs arsenal who had 3 or 4 past 150k mark and the rest are on minimal wages?
 
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scarps said:
Well I've found a updated one which still shows its only 170m a year and VVD highest at 240k.

So what is missing off these sites that the proper one gets it up to 320m?

Proper answer not a daft one, just interested
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The problem is the sites you're looking at are made up nonsense. Football clubs, like any business, file accounts and within those accounts they will detail exactly how much they spend on wages. For a number of seasons now, Liverpool have spent considerably more than Arsenal have in wages.

Media reports on wages (and transfer fees) are often dictated by how a club wants to spin them. We hear a lot about how Liverpool's highest earner is only on circa £200k per week but that is almost certainly only covers their basic wage and as has been leaked via football leaks, Liverpool pay out very complicated and large bonuses on top, more so (I suspect) than most other clubs. You are not paying out £320m in wages unless your top earners are taking home around or even more than £300k per week.
 
BaZ87 said:
The problem is the sites you're looking at are made up nonsense. Football clubs, like any business, file accounts and within those accounts they will detail exactly how much they spend on wages. For a number of seasons now, Liverpool have spent considerably more than Arsenal have in wages.

Media reports on wages (and transfer fees) are often dictated by how a club wants to spin them. We hear a lot about how Liverpool's highest earner is only on circa £200k per week but that is almost certainly only covers their basic wage and as has been leaked via football leaks, Liverpool pay out very complicated and large bonuses on top, more so (I suspect) than most other clubs. You are not paying out £320m in wages unless your top earners are taking home around or even more than £300k per week.
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Cheers for the reply.

Would they be performance based bonuses etc. though so the reason for Liverpool paying far more than Arsenal recently.
 
scarps said:
Cheers for the reply.

Would they be performance based bonuses etc. though so the reason for Liverpool paying far more than Arsenal recently.
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Yes, they would be performance based but A) they wouldn't account for close to the near £90m difference in wages per season and B) these performance based bonuses could be linked to something as basic as appearances.

Whichever way you want to spin it, what Liverpool have paid out in wages over the last 5 years or so and their total investment into their squad is a hell of a lot more than Arsenal's, which was the original point.
 
The_One said:
we literally beat chelsea, utd and west ham in our last 4 games

that makes no sense whatsoever
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Ole had a fantastic record against Guardiola (4 wins, 1 draw, 4 losses) and he beat Liverpool in the cup last season. That doesn't make someone a fantastic manager.

I am not ashamed to admit I was blinded by Ole's legend status and still love him but eventually it became apparent he couldn't take the club no further.

Arteta will be starting his 3rd full season as Arsenal manager next season and he is struggling to get into top 4 after two summer transfer windows.

If they miss out on the top 4 this season how will the players take it? Will they be able to bounce back? How will they manage the extra fixtures of europe next season?
 
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Genuinely thought we'd get at least a point last night. I have a suspicion now that we we will really struggle in our last 2 games. Still can't get over how stupid Holding was, yes the penalty was soft but we still had a chance before the red.

Heard on the radio how Arteta was after game, blaming the ref and saying how proud of his players he is. I'd be wanting to kick the **** out of Holding after that display!
 
Arteta is being a nob. There was nothing wrong with that refereeing performance. From what I saw, the Arsenal players had been told to rough up and target Son and they did just that. Unfortunately they are not a bald Brazilian so they didn't get away with it.

I wonder how Spurs fans feel about Conte. Will be interesting to see who they bring in over the summer because outside of Son and Kane they are a massively dull bunch and the football they play is entirely reliant on those two for entertainment value. I think they will probably keep both of them going into next season as no one will pay what Levy wants but they need to inject some life into the rest of the team.
 
fez said:
Arteta is being a nob. There was nothing wrong with that refereeing performance. From what I saw, the Arsenal players had been told to rough up and target Son and they did just that. Unfortunately they are not a bald Brazilian so they didn't get away with it.

I wonder how Spurs fans feel about Conte. Will be interesting to see who they bring in over the summer because outside of Son and Kane they are a massively dull bunch and the football they play is entirely reliant on those two for entertainment value. I think they will probably keep both of them going into next season as no one will pay what Levy wants but they need to inject some life into the rest of the team.
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Absolutely love Conte, I don't mind so much about the entertainment right now as there are clear limitations in midfield so the team is playing to its strengths - although saying that Romero is usually good for some entertaining moments each game!
 
fez said:
Arteta is being a nob. There was nothing wrong with that refereeing performance. From what I saw, the Arsenal players had been told to rough up and target Son and they did just that. Unfortunately they are not a bald Brazilian so they didn't get away with it.

I wonder how Spurs fans feel about Conte. Will be interesting to see who they bring in over the summer because outside of Son and Kane they are a massively dull bunch and the football they play is entirely reliant on those two for entertainment value. I think they will probably keep both of them going into next season as no one will pay what Levy wants but they need to inject some life into the rest of the team.
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Romero is hugely entertaining to watch and Kulusevski has been a revelation. The main weakness is midfield and the wing backs.
 
BaZ87 said:
You've lost me with that first line.

When looking at what a side has spent on their squad, you cannot look at transfer fees in isolation. Clubs spend far more in wages each season than they do on transfer fees after all. As I pointed out with the Ronaldo example, just because a transfer fee of a particular player might be less than another, the total package required to sign them may end up being far more. Thiago is another example. Most of the PL could afford the £25m fee but only 4 sides could have paid the wages to sign him.

Arsenal cannot compete financially with Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd or City, even if they did spend more on transfer fees last summer. And my figures were net. In terms of gross spend there's next to no difference between Liverpool and Arsenal over the past 5 years.
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Im saying that we are a different level to Arsenal in nearly every way. We compete for everything so that kind of wage bill is expected whereas Arsenal havent been in the champions league for 5 years. I’m talking transfer fees.



On yesterday’s match, Son elbowed Holding which seems to have been missed. He should have walked aswell.

Link to it

 
omnomnom said:
Im saying that we are a different level to Arsenal in nearly every way. We compete for everything so that kind of wage bill is expected whereas Arsenal havent been in the champions league for 5 years. I’m talking transfer fees.
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We compete for everything because we're spending far more in wages than them! If we signed Mbappe on a free transfer, paid him a £50m signing on bonus and £40m per year wages then you'd say we've spent less than Arsenal spending £25m on <random french forward>? Arsenal would have spent £25m more in transfer fees than Liverpool so they should get better results? It's a completely stupid argument.
 
omnomnom said:
Im saying that we are a different level to Arsenal in nearly every way. We compete for everything so that kind of wage bill is expected whereas Arsenal havent been in the champions league for 5 years. I’m talking transfer fees.



On yesterday’s match, Son elbowed Holding which seems to have been missed. He should have walked aswell.

Link to it

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Yea I saw that. Proper joke that was..

Think that's why arteta and other arsenal fans were angry at the ref.

It should have been spurs down to 10 men not arsenal and that made the larger difference as I bet holding was fuming and it got into his head and thus he gets sent off.

Holding is not that easy to lose his head really
 
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