Greenlizard0 PL & Championship Football Thread ** spoilers ** [7th - 12th May 2022]
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Would like to see a longer and normal speed video of it but I don't care enough to look. Son is a bit of a cheating **** though so I'm not against believing it. I still won't forgive him for the disallowed goal vs United a while ago. Hes not a Lemela level **** but he is not beyond cheating.
I think omom's point is that we are able to pay our high earners what we do because of the success, if you rewind to when VVD signed I think he was our highest earner on 125k a week, as we've been successful we've been able to bump up salaries. Whereas arsenal threw silly money at players without any sort of success, Pepe being on 140k, Laca being on 150k - the 2 that were earning in excess of 300k a week etc.
We compete for everything because we're spending far more in wages than them! If we signed Mbappe on a free transfer, paid him a £50m signing on bonus and £40m per year wages then you'd say we've spent less than Arsenal spending £25m on <random french forward>? Arsenal would have spent £25m more in transfer fees than Liverpool so they should get better results? It's a completely stupid argument.
We pay our top earners very well because they've been with us during this time, Diaz whose just joined us for example is on half of what the likes of white/partey/ramsdale are on.
He doesn't do anything different to what every other attacker in the league does. Holding got exposed.
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No, he initially replied to somebody saying what Arsenal spend isn't a significant amount compared to City, Utd and Liverpool and claimed Arsenal spend a lot more than Liverpool. That point is simply not true (if you're looking at the true cost of compiling our squad) or incredibly naive if you believe on transfer fees matter.
As for what our highest earners are/were on. VVD's contract details were actually leaked by Football Leaks (the same people that exposed City's dodgy stuff) and he was taking home £125k basic pay before a huge list of structured add-ons. On top of the £6m(ish) basic wage, he'd receive a further £4m once he played 150 games, a further £5m for honouring his contract and an ever increasing amount depending on exactly how many clean sheets Liverpool kept (plus more). VVD's £125k per week very quickly became £200k per week and that's on top of the £6m signing on fee he was paid. Firmino's deal was leaked too and it was very similar with a modest basic wage but then very large bonuses.
All sides pay add-ons but Liverpool pay a greater proportion of the total pay in these (or at least they did) and often a big chunk of these add-ons are very easily achievable. So when somebody says Salah, VVD or whoever is only earning £x it's usually a load of rubbish. Our wagebill last season, when we had very little success, was circa £75m more than Arsenal's.
We have given out improved contracts over the years because we have won trophies, big ones at that. If Arsenal start doing the same then their wage bill will increase as well. I dont think comparing wage bills is entirely fair when looking at what a club "spends" Yes we may pay more but thats on the back of success. If Arsenal have a couple of years of success there wage bill will jump aswell.
Yes, we have given out improved deals and our wage bill has grown from 20% odd more than there's, when we were only finishing marginally ahead of them, to 35-40% more than there's in recent years.
And we don't pay that much more because of success, we pay that much more because we are buying better players who demand more money. And you might not think its fair but there is and always has been a clear correlation between wage spend and league position, more so than transfer spend.
And we don't pay that much more because of success, we pay that much more because we are buying better players who demand more money. And you might not think its fair but there is and always has been a clear correlation between wage spend and league position, more so than transfer spend.
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But your original point was that Arsenal spend more than liverpool....
Not about how much success the two clubs have had in comparision over recent seasons.
You seem to be changing your tune with every post regarding this topic instead of admitting that Liverpool have spent almost 100m more in one season.
@BaZ87 is spot on to say you have to look at the overal picture. Not just 2-3 players contracts.... a Team is made up of at least 24 senior squad members right? Not based off of on 2-3 players...
Liverpool have far better players and those players demand a decent wages/bonus's/signing on fees.
Diaz was spurs bound for example but liverpool probably offered him way better "personal terms such as bonuses etc" than Spurs but you only hear the headline that they "only" got him for 38m bargain bin sale
City just bought Haaland for "only" 70m..... But when you dive deep innto teh signing on fees/bonuses and salary. they basically forked out almost around teh 200m ball park..
Ok so compare Saka and Diaz, Saka will be negotiating a new contract in the summer to ward off interested parties, agreed? I would expect he will want parity with the current high earners at arsenal so I would expect to see his basic salary jump up to in excess of £150k pw. Diaz is on £55k pw. It's not so simple as 'we're buying better players'.
It's probably a mix of both points.
Soldato
simply putting a higher salary is not the be all of the whole deal...
Who says we will give saka 150k a week? personally he shouldnt. instead just bump him off a 20k extra and just give him a 5m signing fee with the option to re-evaluate his contract in say 2 years time to see where he is as a player and where the club is as well and guarantee a 50% increase in loyalty or some **** like that bum,ping him to 150k if in 2-3 years we are a club competing for the title and CL and him being a starter in that side
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I guess Leeds-born Haaland didn't fancy Championship football then?
All reporting shows his basic salary as 67k euros pw. If you've got anything to show it's more apart from pithy one liners I'd love to see it.
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His agent and himself would have to be right pushovers if he's only earning that. There are players in the championship earning more.
Konate is on 70k pw, again if you/Baz/ whomever have figures to the contrary we'd love to see it - apart from 'xyz is on this much so they're bound to be on more'.
Don't believe what you read in that case. The vast majority of our £320m(ish) wagebill is being spent on circa 25 first team senior players and a couple of key staff. The average first team player will be earning not far off £10m per season. There is not a cat in hells chance that Diaz signed on a figure that low.
And re your initial point, Liverpool are paying around 40% more in wages each season than Arsenal and that is because we have a bigger and better squad.
Caporegime
Won't the accounting figures include bonuses? Reported figures is usually just basic wages so you would assume that is part of the discrepancy.
Reported figures are whatever clubs want them to be. A club will brief journos the figures they want putting out and Liverpool have done very well in convincing gullible people that we pay our players next to nothing, despite the fact that our wagebill has been broadly the same as Utd and City for the past few seasons.
Caporegime
Digging into it a little more it looks like his reported salary where the figure was being pulled from was with taxes deducted i.e. net not gross.