So you think that Haaland will never go to Real? Not next year, or the year after, or in 5 years...never?
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Think this video is a bit much, seems to think Spurs should have had millions of bookings, but it’s the first replay I could find of the Perisic tackle. Some Spurs fans think a yellow is harsh, but I’d argue that’s a red!
56seconds. I didn’t see the shirt pull on Dunk later in the video!
56seconds. I didn’t see the shirt pull on Dunk later in the video!
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The Premier League is a monopoly now. These Madrid/Barcelona teams are all legacy from ten years ago. They will not last much longer. Even Champions league is becoming a bit of a banter league when Premier League games are becoming more important to watch. Only team that can compete outside of England is PSG and Bayern because they have a Monopoly on their league.
Historically the Champions league was a spectacle but when a game against an Italian "giant" is likened to United playing Crystal palace it just loses the appeal.
When Bournemouth get more money than Ajax, Milan, Juve, Inter, PSV, Feyenoord, Marseille, Dortmund, Bayern, Atletico etc. It is just all wrong.
Just look at Napoli. 15 years ago they would have been able to keep their players and build a legacy yet this summer Osimhem will get poached by a team in the Premier League.
Doesnt answer the question I posed though (wasnt aimed at you I know) , does anyone think that Haaland will never play for Real (or Barca).
Just to be absolutely clear, I never mentioned anything about contract clauses or that he would move to Real in the next 1 or 2 years, simply that imo he WILL move to Real at some point and if he does in that league what he's done in other leagues so far he will smash all manner of records.
Its definitely one of those bookmark threads to come back to in years to come if he does/doesnt move to Real. Someone is going to be able to gloat and say they were right, time will tell who
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Doesnt answer the question I posed though (wasnt aimed at you I know) , does anyone think that Haaland will never play for Real (or Barca).
Just to be absolutely clear, I never mentioned anything about contract clauses or that he would move to Real in the next 1 or 2 years, simply that imo he WILL move to Real at some point and if he does in that league what he's done in other leagues so far he will smash all manner of records.
Its definitely one of those bookmark threads to come back to in years to come if he does/doesnt move to Real. Someone is going to be able to gloat and say they were right, time will tell who
That was my answer. The Premier League is all but a monopoly now. I can quite easily see Haaland spending a very long time at City. No one else can afford him.
That video is utter nonsense. I'm neutral in relation to that game, and if anything favour Brighton, but I don't think there's a single clearly wrong decision in the whole thing, except possibly the Dunk penalty shout but you see those not given every week
We'll see. I dont think he will still be at City in 5 years time.
You don't think that was a clear foul on Mitoma for a penalty, astounding. The shirt pull on Dunk is just as clear too, the rest of the video is ambiguous. For the Perisic foul, he's off the floor kinda with 2 feet. He's fortunate he didn't make hard contact there. All the way through that game the ref was shocking.
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You don't think any of the non-cards were yellows or that the Perisic challenge is routinely given as a red (2 feet off the ground, studs up, scissor tackle) or that both of the handballs that lead to disallowed penalties were questionable at best (the rule is clear and obvious to overturn a goal),
I watched the game and the ref was awful and almost everything that could have gone against Brighton did. Mitoma was pushed for the first goal which should already count for something and it looks like it hits his shirt at the top of his arm (rules say thats OK). The second one seems to come off his hip and they didn't show any angle to suggest conclusively otherwise.
Thats what VAR needs to overturn a decision. They don't rule on "we think it should be disallowed because it might have hit his hand" they have to be sure to disallow it.
lmao that video. Half expected for Coldplay to start playing.
Thought there was a potential red with that silly tackle, id want one anyway. The first goal i dont think theres a lot wrong, for me its above where it needs to be and there is a clear penalty not given for the biggest of tugs of the shirt youll see...but they dont get given a lot. The foul on Mitoma is clear as day.
You have 3 or 4 major game changing decisions go against you and youll be mad.
Thought there was a potential red with that silly tackle, id want one anyway. The first goal i dont think theres a lot wrong, for me its above where it needs to be and there is a clear penalty not given for the biggest of tugs of the shirt youll see...but they dont get given a lot. The foul on Mitoma is clear as day.
You have 3 or 4 major game changing decisions go against you and youll be mad.
First one i agree...that to me seems clearly above. The second one, not so sure but it does look like it hits below. I dont buy the "cheating" later on though, Dunk clearly stamps on his foot so if anything he should have seen a potential red.
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I mean, it was made by a frothy Arsenal fan. To be expected.
As always, people just want consistency. Those are given so often so why wasn't that one?
Margins are fine at this level and Brighton didn't even have one decision go against them.
I would suggest they had 2 goals disallowed that probably should have stood and they should have had 2 penalties along with Spurs being down to 10 men or less. Hojberg should have had 1 or two yellows before he finally got one and unsurprisingly when he eventually got one it was for a professional foul to break up play that he wouldn't have done if he was already on a card.
The question is "are we 100% sure it hits his arm as it goes it". I don't think they can be sure unless they have angles we haven't seen. I think the Dunk incident with the stamp is because he takes half a second to go down in agony. Spurs are a fundamentally scummy team of cheats throughout unfortunately. I don't know if there is a player in their team that isn't.
Brighton are pushing for top 4 at the moment and a game against a direct rival is massive. This sort of refereeing performance is simply unacceptable.
There are a number which could have gone a different way, but no, none that I'd call a clear and obvious error.
Can you show me where it says the rule is clear and obvious to overturn a goal but not other issues? For someone screaming about inconsistency, that seems inconsistent
I don't understand how football has implemented a video referee so badly, compared to other sports.
If a ref doesn't see something, VAR will sometimes intervene (but sometimes not).
If a ref does see something and makes a wrong decision, VAR will sometimes intervene but sometimes not.
Sometimes they use the "clear and obvious error" criteria - and.. sometimes not.
It's staggeringly poor that we've had VAR for a few years now and this basic problems not quashed. It's either deliberate (controversy is good?) or as Shearer said it's plain incompetent.
Honestly, the Tottenham v Brighton game is just another example of VAR at its absolute worst. VAR should be the best thing that happened to football in a long time, but instead they're managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and actually make the idea of a video review look bad. It makes you want to follow some other sport, one that actually cares about fairness and consistency.
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You can’t go back and talk about changes regarding yellow cards. If players are on one card, they generally do not commit many fouls following this. The whole they should have had 3 yellows and therefore be sent off is ridiculous as an argument.
Both handballs and rightly disallowed for me. Mitoma was a penalty 100% and at minimum VAR should have asked for ref review. Dunk was walking a fine line with an off the ball foot stamp which is also a red card offence, for which he received no card and no foul was even awarded. The officiating was just poor.
Both handballs and rightly disallowed for me. Mitoma was a penalty 100% and at minimum VAR should have asked for ref review. Dunk was walking a fine line with an off the ball foot stamp which is also a red card offence, for which he received no card and no foul was even awarded. The officiating was just poor.
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What qualifies as a “clear and obvious error”?
In testing, there was no unanimity. Different VARs came up with different outcomes.But the VAR should not be asking, "Do I think it's right or wrong?" The question is, "Is what the match officials have done a clear and obvious error?"
There is a very high bar for that intervention.
Straight from the premier league website. That’s not related to VAR getting involved for an unseen incident, that’s the rule whenever VAR is involved. I.e after a goal is scored and it’s being checked.
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The first isnt handball. Brighton should have had 2 clear penalties. The penalties weren't decisions you'd class as debateable either, they were clear as day.
The 2nd disallowed goal, is there really clear evidence it hit his hand?
The view from behind you can’t see. The view from in front that was shown is so low quality I don’t get how they can overturn it.
Imagine we’ll get another apology, unfortunately apologies don’t put points on the board.
The view from behind you can’t see. The view from in front that was shown is so low quality I don’t get how they can overturn it.
Imagine we’ll get another apology, unfortunately apologies don’t put points on the board.
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As they said on match of the day. You can kind of give them the first one because the linesman disallows it for handball so now VAR is working from the perspective of "is it clear that the linesman was wrong". They are overturning a goal being disallowed. I still think its completely the wrong decision based on the rules on handball but at least they are following their own rules up to a point. The rest of them are a joke.
Its not entirely ridiculous because players get sent off all the time for second yellows. You can't stop making any tackles because you are on a yellow. You can avoid cynical ones and professional fouls but not your everyday ones. You are also much less effective as a player in midfield and defence if you cannot make tackles without a high risk of getting sent off.
Thats the main reason people complain about it. Hojberg made a number of cynical professional fouls to break up play that could have resulted in goals. He wouldn't have made those if he was on a yellow already. If he did, he might have been sent off.
Its not entirely ridiculous because players get sent off all the time for second yellows. You can't stop making any tackles because you are on a yellow. You can avoid cynical ones and professional fouls but not your everyday ones. You are also much less effective as a player in midfield and defence if you cannot make tackles without a high risk of getting sent off.
Thats the main reason people complain about it. Hojberg made a number of cynical professional fouls to break up play that could have resulted in goals. He wouldn't have made those if he was on a yellow already. If he did, he might have been sent off.
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