Hard to disagree sadly.
Greenlizard0 Premier League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [12th - 22nd January 2024]
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Caporegime
BTW I’m not trolling. I’m just saying Man U are garbage. Hope that is clear.
That’s not what you said was it though…
Caporegime
Perhaps the problem is that coaching Ajax is an easy job. Your main job is managing them and tweaking them. At United he needed to to take a dysfunctional team and coach them from a really low level. Completely different jobs.
But yea, it’s getting more and more apparent that he’s not the man for the job. I also believe that any manager will struggle massively unless they can sort out the conundrum of Bruno.
But yea, it’s getting more and more apparent that he’s not the man for the job. I also believe that any manager will struggle massively unless they can sort out the conundrum of Bruno.
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Rashford's celebration
Reminds me of Bamford a few seasons back, missing sitters left, right and centre, finally scores a goal and shushes the fans!
Reminds me of Bamford a few seasons back, missing sitters left, right and centre, finally scores a goal and shushes the fans!
Rashford's celebration
Reminds me of Bamford a few seasons back, missing sitters left, right and centre, finally scores a goal and shushes the fans!
I thought that, he's done it before too. Hugely unlikeable player.
Caporegime
Is it? It's not like Ajax were doing well before him and they've been abysmal since. They hadn't won for 4 years when he took over.
Caporegime
Think of the children you monster.
We were just as bad at the end under Ole. It’s shades of **** isn’t it. We certainly haven’t been revolutionised under EtH in any way. Last season was largely a result of Rashfords purple patch and a pretty solid defence as a result of Licha coming in and making us a bit more of a unit. Overall our play was still very poor but we all hoped that was a lack of the right personnel. This season has put that hope to bed.
Caporegime
I’m not suggesting he isn’t good in the right situation. Most managers have their niche and the environment they work best in. Ajax are generally a well run club with a good structure and a strong ethos for how they recruit and play. A completely different game to the United job and it’s easy to see how he could do a great job at Ajax and struggle so much at United. We are the antithesis of Ajax.
Caporegime
Well yeah, obviously anyone would struggle with us (and has) because of how little support they have off the pitch. I'm still willing to give ETH more time, I don't see a single good option out there that is even equivalent let alone an improvement. Let the new owners watch the rest of the season get the people in place they think we need and then in the summer they can make a decision as to whether he's the right person to continue in the job.
I think now Martinez and Casemiro are back, ETH has to improve performances and results - big time. If we just carry on like this he'll definitely be gone in the summer, if not sooner. I suspect INEOS will be taking a serious view on things towards the end of February.
Caporegime
I want to agree with this but I haven’t seen any signs of our game improving under him. If it was even showing vague signs of turning around I would. We all laughed at Arteta being backed because he was struggling to get a consistent tune from Arsenal but at least he was making Arsenal inconsistently good. We flit between awful and hmm, maybe we are OK.
Who needs Harry Kane?I've only just finished watching the game as I had to record it. I don't know how that wasn't a penalty, you can now just grab players in the box and pull them away from the ball?
Still, lucky to get a point, and can't complain at Rashford and Hojlund getting back in the goals. We desperately need Casemiro back, Mainoo is pretty good but he's not got the physicality and every team knows if they just keep punting balls into the box they'll score.
Every time the opposition break you have to clench your buttocks as the inevitable cross comes in.....as much as I like the buns of steel I've developed the last few months I would like to relax a bit more.....
Caporegime
ETH had Overmars and VDS as well. He had had the whole structure around him. Man Utd is just a basket case at the moment and it is obvious moral and confidence is at an all time low. Hopefully now things might change with this new ownership structure.
ETH is the fastest manager in Ajax history to 100 wins and fastest manager to 50 wins in United's history. He isn't a bad manager and his Ajax team were a revelation. Even after he lost all his players he topped the Group stage of the champions league with 18 points. 20 goals for and 5 against in his final season.
He is clearly a good manager as shown by his first season and he hasn't had it easy with Ronaldo, Sancho, Maguire etc issues which he has dealt with well in my eyes.
They need to get rid of the players that are not towing the line or playing how he wants. If you sack him and replace him you will end up getting exactly the same result.
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Caporegime
The question to my is whether he did do a particularly good job in the first season. Rashford was a huge part of our final league position with his crazy purple patch but hes now completely reverted to form. Martinez was part of a good defence that suddenly had some energy, steel and aggression to it but it remains to be seen if he can recapture that.
Honestly though, we never looked that good last season. At times we were effective but we were rarely good. We rarely controlled matches and walked away the obvious and deserved winners. Thats something you can kind of excuse in the first season but we've now regressed again a lot. Yes, injures have been **** but plenty of other teams have had the same or worse and they don't become completely abject.
Today was a good example of a team missing a lot of players and having sold easily their best player in the summer looking like a team that still knew what they wanted to do. Honestly, Spurs weren't that good today IMO. They just had it so easy. I think if we were even 20% better we would have taken them to pieces because they were so open at times.
Despite not being quite there though, Spurs still showed they had things we don't. A plan. Cohesion. Understanding between players all over the pitch.
He's lost me. A few weeks ago I would have sided with your position but on reflection I can't see an improvement that can persuade me that he is the right man. That said I don't know who is but in order to have the reset that is required I don't see keeping ten Hag as tenable. In 18 months I can't think of hardly any performances where there was any sort of cohesion to the team regardless of who played. We've had 20 minutes here and there but nothing sustained. He's made a lot of poor decisions
- signing Antony
- signing Mount
- signing Onana
- persisting with Rashford
- persisting with McTominay
- indulging Bruno Fernandes playstyle
- being far too easy to play against
- ************ the fans when we've stunk the place out
We had a fortunate run of home draws in both cups last season, were unconvincing in the Europa League and benefited from Liverpool's mid season dip, Spurs being in a Conte induced meltdown and Chelsea being, well Chelsea. Name me our best performance under ten Hag? We don't win away and can't beat top half teams with any consistency. Of course there is mitigation but he's the manager and he's not progressed the team. We get marginally better pressing in the opposition half but its not consistent and or chance creation is very low. As a result our goal difference is -5 which is slightly better than Bournemouth.
He's have been sacked if it wasn't for the Ineos takeover.
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