Greenlizard0 Premier League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [12th - 22nd January 2024]

Shamikebab said:
Funny I don't remember this 'soft fouls aren't penalties' coming up when Jota was diving for penalties a few weeks back, weird.

Also noticed you didn't come up with a reason why Garnacho was just trotting on the spot then and not running to the ball if Udogie wasn't impeding him.

Doesn't this just prove the panel is incompetent then? Hell look at how many players have got away with what Dalot has been given a red for in the last week. That not a mistake either? Convenient.

I think this forum can't get worse and then I see people claiming holding onto someone with two hands isn't impeding their movement.
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I'm not sure I need to come up with anything, I'm not Dale Johnson Shami. Sorry.

And you appear to be conflating things. Saying X didn't get a red/penalty etc against them doesn't therefore mean Y is wrong. There's numerous instances where a player should have received a booking for dissent but hasn't, that doesn't mean somebody getting booked for it is wrong. There's also instances of dissent/fouls etc that are clearly subjective and where one might be given and one not given without either decision being wrong.

You're going way over the top with this penalty situation. It could have been given and if it had then Spurs could have little complaints but at the same time instances of pushing and pulling in the penalty area are very rarely given as fouls.
 
Unless they're against us apparently where it's fine.

Fans defending refs inconsistency is the most baffling to me. I'm sure if Liverpool got these decisions you'd be absolutely fine with it then? If a Liverpool players was red carded for dissent but then the team you were playing at were screaming at the ref and not getting carded it would be fine? Really easy to claim we haven't had any mistakes against us this season when inconsistency is apparently fine. We've had four players correctly identified as diving in the area against us in the last month and not one was carded, guess they don't count as mistakes either.
 
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Shamikebab said:
Unless they're against us apparently where it's fine.

Fans defending refs inconsistency is the most baffling to me. I'm sure if Liverpool got these decisions you'd be absolutely fine with it then? If a Liverpool players was red carded for dissent but then the team you were playing at were screaming at the ref and not getting carded it would be fine? Really easy to claim we haven't had any mistakes against us this season when inconsistency is apparently fine.
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You know Harvey Elliott was booked for a very mild act of dissent just last week in a match where on 3 occasions Arsenal players committed far worse acts of dissent, including telling the ref to **** off, without punishment? I'm pretty sure I didn't say a thing about it. It's probably worth adding that the very same official was the one that reported VVD for swearing at him and resulted in an extra games suspension for him. **** happens and I've no doubt Liverpool have had inconsistent decisions both for and against, as have Utd.

And again, as you seem to be missing the point. There will always be inconsistent decisions and that is because so many areas of the rules are open to subjectivity, which is why two identical situations can result in 2 different outcomes and neither be considered incorrect. The independent panel look for obviously incorrect decisions made onfield or by VAR and despite the complaining from ETH, Utd have benefited from 4 obviously incorrect calls going in their favour and 0 against.
 
Well yeah when you can decide what is a mistake and what isn't (contrary to the rules) then you can make up whatever number you want lol. Sometimes this is a foul (when we feel like it), sometimes this is dissent (when we feel like it). Refs live a charmed life when even fans defend their inconsistency, baffling.
 
I’m a Spurs fan and I think it was a penalty. Udogie was a very lucky boy.

But, on karmic balance, Spurs are probably still due a couple more favourable referring decisions at Old Trafford.
 
As I said yesterday looked a pen to me but I also added I don’t think I fully understand the rules anymore. The article Baz linked to proves my own thoughts were correct.
 
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Jimbeam3678 said:
As I said yesterday looked a pen to me but I also added I don’t think I fully understand the rules anymore. The article Baz linked to proves my own thoughts were correct.
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My thoughts exactly, there's far far worse impeding at every corner\freekick but they don't get penalised, I think the fact that Garnacho wasn't actually trying to move forward and was just blocking the ball and threw himself into the air made it look far worse but I agree that anywhere else on the pitch that's surely given as a foul.

The issue is that everytime Man U play Shami is screaming for several penalties and then goes full tin foil hat\conspiracy theorist is more entertaining than the actual turd that Man U serve up is a massive bonus
 
Maundie said:
My thoughts exactly, there's far far worse impeding at every corner\freekick but they don't get penalised, I think the fact that Garnacho wasn't actually trying to move forward and was just blocking the ball and threw himself into the air made it look far worse but I agree that anywhere else on the pitch that's surely given as a foul.

The issue is that everytime Man U play Shami is screaming for several penalties and then goes full tin foil hat\conspiracy theorist is more entertaining than the actual turd that Man U serve up is a massive bonus
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You need to get your eyes checked mate, if he was trying to block the ball he'd be leaning into Udogie not leaning forward with Udogie pulling him back.
 
Its a penalty, he's impeded him, no it doesnt cause the fall but its still a foul.

Edit. Its worse then the penalty City got against United that went back 2 minutes imo.
 
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I think it should have been a penalty, but you need to move on. There’s no conspiracy against United, they get away with refereeing decisions as well as suffer from them, like everyone.
 
Shamikebab said:
Our clear penalty denied isn't even mentioned in the BBC write up, the media agenda against us is insane. If it was any other club that would be the headline and they'd be demanding an apology from PGMOL.
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Shamikebab said:
Where did I say there was a conspiracy?
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There's a start for you. Just on the previous page of this thread.
 
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'media agenda' makes me chuckle, they've had years of preferential treatment from the media at large and now all of a sudden they are being treated like the majority of clubs its an agenda.
 
How often do they highlight decisions that csn go either way? It's usually obvious errors
 
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