Greenlizard0 Premier League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [18th - 20th January 2025]

adam cool dude said:
If we manage to bring in some wingbacks then maybe we might have a chance at the Europa. Especially as now none of the Champions League teams drop into it.
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If only it was that easy!
I think we are delusional if we think we can win the EL. We can barely beat bottom of the league in England. I'd settle for a few player exits and the odd game where we can actually say we played well.
 
SimonRigga said:
Wasn't saying i'm not happy.. and 100% agree he should have been dropped..

but since then... if you have a different 11 players, some of which during various matches are not putting in the effort, and you don't drop them, shurely that tells others that are trying .. why bother..

I don't watch ManU as i'm not a fan of them, but from highlights on MOTD etc.. it's obvious when players don't run back and leave players un-marked.. and there is no running without the ball.. Can you not see this? or do you think its actually a quality issue, where the players you have purchased, (sorry I say you, but I don't know if you're a ManU fan or not) are just not good enough?

and if that's the case, how come ManU can actually turn up good results when it looks (from highlights) that the players are bothered, running back, running without the ball, basically putting in the effort.

Personally i'm not bothered either way.. if you think that they are all trying their absolute best, all the time, but the quality is not there.. then fair enough.. it just doesn't look that way to me personally..
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So they're not putting in the effort, but you don't watch us and can't name any of these players?
 
Shamikebab said:
You're very strange. You raised a problem but then don't want to talk about it and get weird when someone asks you for specifics?
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Not really.. but when you watch MOTD and watch highlights of another team are you not allowed an opinion??? unless you make notes on which player did what???..

I don't know the ManU players, but from highlights i've seen i've noticed a lack of effort. Sorry I didn't note the player numbers/names and their positions..

If you watch another team (not ManU) and noted that one or another of their players didn't put the effort in, would you be able to name them, a week or so later? maybe you would.. and you're just a bigger fan of football than me..

Apols if i've upset you in any way, that was not my intention.. and I think Amorim is the right manager for you guys.. i'm just surprised he doesn't drop more first team players and bring in the youth if needed..(i'm surprised ETH didn't either to be honest!)

A setup like ManU, would probably have much better youth than some other teams that just don't have that option..

And as I said, which you didn't answer, do you think all the players are putting in their best effort and it's just a quality issue? genuinely interested.. not trying to troll you in any way..
 
If I had no idea what players it was I wouldn't say anything because it adds nothing to the discussion! The natural response to "why doesn't he drop players" is to ask what players and you don't know. I don't think lack of effort is the problem, we haven't seen players downing tools or not trying.
 
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Calpol said:
If only it was that easy!
I think we are delusional if we think we can win the EL. We can barely beat bottom of the league in England. I'd settle for a few player exits and the odd game where we can actually say we played well.
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Agree if you look at how we are now but with Europe things can change quickly. Round of 16 is way off in the middle of March. If we can bring in a couple of players it could soon all change. Liverpool 05, Chelsea 2012.

I am just trying to be positive :)
 
Robbo said:
The funny thing is, Brighton have a better squad than we do, so why is the loss even a surprise? We don't have a divine right to win due to the size of the club. Looking at the table and other teams, I think 10th-12th is probably the best we can do, a damning indictment of the past few years.

I think in an ideal world we'd get rid of Rashford and possibly also Garnacho, and start investing in players who are superior and also better understand Amorim's system. And we're barely even being linked to any signings? The club need to start backing Amorim, and they need to do it now. Maybe Ratcliffe will just decide Amorim is rubbish and sack him along with the CEO who appointed him?

These discussions are going to happen after most games for the rest of the season...
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I heard on a pod today, can’t recall which one it was or who said it but it was along the lines of;

Brighton have a better squad.
A better team
Better coached team
Better training ground and stadium
Arguably a better manager
Better owner who wants to do the best by the club
Owner who invest in the club
Nothing but positive reports from the club
Invest in the womens

So why is it a shock that they got battered by them, again?

It’s a good a valid point(s)
 
Reuben klang said:
I heard on a pod today, can’t recall which one it was or who said it but it was along the lines of;

Brighton have a better squad.
A better team
Better coached team
Better training ground and stadium
Arguably a better manager
Better owner who wants to do the best by the club
Owner who invest in the club
Nothing but positive reports from the club
Invest in the womens

So why is it a shock that they got battered by them, again?

It’s a good a valid point(s)
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Yup, United are so far off the pace. They are exactly where they deserve to be.

Mismanagement United Football Club
 
While some of those points are indeed valid, the manager one is a cheap shot. How can anyone argue Hurzeler is a better manager than Amorim when looking at their achievements over the past couple of years - not a chance.
 
I don't even see anyone claiming or thinking it is a shock? I mean, Brighton have comfortably beaten us at home three times in a row. Honestly, it's not even surprising to lose anymore. Comfortably beaten by Wolves, struggled against Southampton, drew with Ipswich... it's not even known if we can win against teams below us.

Brighton are clearly a well run outfit. Despite losing managers who play good football (Potter and De Zerbi) and players, they seem to recruit well and hit the ground running. Hurzeler has been impressive, big step up going from 2nd tier of the Bundesliga to the Premier League but he's doing a solid job.
 
adam cool dude said:
I am just trying to be positive :)
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For that I commend you.
Oddly I am quite positive. It fells like we are enduring the reset required. I believe in this coach more than anyone else at the club. I reckon he's got the minerals to see this through. People forget that SAF took three years to break the drinking culture at the club and get rid of some of the "big time charlies" that flash Ron had recruited. The squad was ageing and of poor quality. Robbo was over 30 and struggling with injuries. Fergie also made similar mistakes as ten Hag by recruiting players he knew from the Scottish League and they were crap (anyone remember Ralph Milne, Jim Leighton) aside from Gordon Strachan. Provided Ineos back him in getting rid of the players he can't work with then we'll be right. Recruitment will happen but hopefully not big names that that the fans instantly recognise, more like Brighton who uncover potential, hunger and physical freaks.
 
Where was the same closing down effort that we had against Liverpool etc, we seem to get exploited at home a lot is this due to the pitch size? lots of gaps players not willing to run and be athletic?

Dont seem to have the same fight I dont know I give up trying to analyse us now its getting tiresome stinking out Old Trafford a lot of late.
 
Calpol said:
For that I commend you.
Oddly I am quite positive. It fells like we are enduring the reset required. I believe in this coach more than anyone else at the club. I reckon he's got the minerals to see this through. People forget that SAF took three years to break the drinking culture at the club and get rid of some of the "big time charlies" that flash Ron had recruited. The squad was ageing and of poor quality. Robbo was over 30 and struggling with injuries. Fergie also made similar mistakes as ten Hag by recruiting players he knew from the Scottish League and they were crap (anyone remember Ralph Milne, Jim Leighton) aside from Gordon Strachan. Provided Ineos back him in getting rid of the players he can't work with then we'll be right. Recruitment will happen but hopefully not big names that that the fans instantly recognise, more like Brighton who uncover potential, hunger and physical freaks.
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bingham67 said:
Where was the same closing down effort that we had against Liverpool etc, we seem to get exploited at home a lot is this due to the pitch size? lots of gaps players not willing to run and be athletic?

Dont seem to have the same fight I dont know I give up trying to analyse us now its getting tiresome stinking out Old Trafford a lot of late.
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Apparently to make a comment like this you need to name players specifically.. otherwise you're not allowed to comment. ;)
 
Shamikebab said:
If I had no idea what players it was I wouldn't say anything because it adds nothing to the discussion! The natural response to "why doesn't he drop players" is to ask what players and you don't know. I don't think lack of effort is the problem, we haven't seen players downing tools or not trying.
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So... do you think all the players are putting in their best effort and it's just a quality issue????
 
SimonRigga said:
So... do you think all the players are putting in their best effort and it's just a quality issue????
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Yeah, they're trying to play a system with minimal training time that most of them have never played anything like before. We have games nearly every 3 days so we're getting 1 full training session a week if we're lucky. The pressure is huge and moral is rock bottom.
 
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