Greenlizard0 Premier League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [18th - 20th January 2025]

[Robbo]

I’ll bite. Past achievements. Doesn’t mean Jose and Rafa are still elite does it?

The team over all is worse than what it was with EtH. They don’t look like they even heard of training. Their back 3 is effectively a back 1, maybe change it and adapt to the players? Rather than continuing with something that won’t work.

It’s results business, massively skewed towards results, you get away with it for a while if the performances are on song.

Ones getting results, performances and punching above expectation. The other is coming out with excuses like this is the worst team in history as a way of saying “nothing to do with me”.

Seen this on X

• This was United's sixth home Premier League defeat of the season, their most from their opening 12 home matches of a league season since 1893-94.
• They have conceded the first goal in their past five Premier League games at Old Trafford - their joint-longest such run in the competition, also doing so five times in a row from August to October 2023.
• United have lost 10 of their 22 Premier League games this season - the earliest into a league campaign that they have hit double figures for defeats since 1989-90.

Breaking negative records from before United weren’t even called United!!

So yeh, it could be argued that right now one is a better coach.

Oh come on, "past achievements" from 3 months ago? You have listed all of the reasons Brighton are a better run club in a better situation than Man Utd, most of them aren't down to the manager. I suppose that means Nuno is a better manager than Pep? After all, past achievements don't count.

While some criticism can be pointed in Amorim's direction, he isn't the problem. Things are a complete mess wherever you look. I just think it's a uniquely bizarre situation and there are no quick fixes... that being said, I would be lying if I said I had no concerns at all over Amorim's dogmatic approach, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. It wouldn't surprise me if we continued to lose most games, and I just have a bad feeling Ratcliffe is going to lose his mind and start sacking everyone!

 

[Ayahuasca]

Didn't he make it clear to them before they offered him the contract that he wouldn't compromise on his style of play?

I think they've accepted this season as a right off and for him to stick to his style of play so that the players that will still be there are used to it. Sacking him in May before he's even recruited any players would be mental and make them look like even more of a clown club.

 

[Robbo]

Didn't he make it clear to them before they offered him the contract that he wouldn't compromise on his style of play?

I think they've accepted this season as a right off and for him to stick to his style of play so that the players that will still be there are used to it. Sacking him in May before he's even recruited any players would be mental and make them look like even more of a clown club.

We can only assume this must have been the case. The problem is, I doubt they expected things to be this bad and that will inevitably sow seeds of doubt as to whether he's suitable.

I personally like him and think he has a clear style of play he wants to implement, and it will take time, but the club is a pressure cooker...

 

[Bear]

Didn't he make it clear to them before they offered him the contract that he wouldn't compromise on his style of play?

I think they've accepted this season as a right off and for him to stick to his style of play so that the players that will still be there are used to it. Sacking him in May before he's even recruited any players would be mental and make them look like even more of a clown club.

In one of the inverviews when he first signed, he said there were two choices. To play like they were used to and perhaps win more games and nothing changes or to change the way they play, would lose more to begin with but hopefully come the summer things would improve.

 

[C Kent]

Taking it back on topic (as amusing as it is to see the man utd fans here expectations be lowered so much they are hoping to not be dragged into a relegation battle ) but apparently Chelsea won last night and are up to 4th.

 

[omnomnom]

Didn't he make it clear to them before they offered him the contract that he wouldn't compromise on his style of play?

I think they've accepted this season as a right off and for him to stick to his style of play so that the players that will still be there are used to it. Sacking him in May before he's even recruited any players would be mental and make them look like even more of a clown club.

But you have to...What happens when he gets his players and you get some injuries?

 

[Ayahuasca]

But you have to...What happens when he gets his players and you get some injuries?

That doesn't mean you have to change your overall style of play and United are more than capable of having a squad with some depth.

Obviously, you're never going to have players playing exactly the same way, they're all going to do things a little differently, but your overall philosophy can stay the same.

I don't think Amorin is saying that there will be absolutely no adaptability in the future.

 

[omnomnom]

That doesn't mean you have to change your overall style of play and United are more than capable of having a squad with some depth.

Obviously, you're never going to have players playing exactly the same way, they're all going to do things a little differently, but your overall philosophy can stay the same.

I don't think Amorin is saying that there will be absolutely no adaptability in the future.

It might do though. Its poor management to play players in a system that simply doesnt suit them.

 

[Ayahuasca]

It might do though. Its poor management to play players in a system that simply doesnt suit them.

It's not necessarily poor management, because instead of trying to implement numerous systems, he might just want to get the players who won't be getting binned up to speed, and then worry about tweaking it a bit once he has a squad he's comfortable with.

There's no one-size-fits-all approach to management, and other managers have been very rigid in their style and have gone on to be successful despite poor results at first.

 

[omnomnom]

It's not necessarily poor management, because instead of trying to implement numerous systems, he might just want to get the players who won't be getting binned up to speed, and then worry about tweaking it a bit once he has a squad he's comfortable with.

There's no one-size-fits-all approach to management, and other managers have been very rigid in their style and have gone on to be successful despite poor results at first.

Disagree completely. If you dont have the players to suit a system the system needs changing until you do. Amorim doesnt have the credit to allow United to keep being embarrassed.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Disagree completely. If you dont have the players to suit a system the system needs changing until you do. Amorim doesnt have the credit to allow United to keep being embarrassed.

Longer term maybe, depending on what was agreed when he was hired. He's been there two months and seems to have been transparent about being hired on the basis he'll be implementing his own system rather than trying something different to suit the players he currently has available. In that short space of time he's actually experimented quite a lot (probably too much) with different players between games.

To change system or have another one on the go within two months seems unrealistic and counter-intuitive when many of those players will be moving on in the near future. Using a different system is no guarantee that the results will be better, it is just more experimentation.

It may be embarrassing, but it's not much different from what we've seen from United in recent years. It would look even more clownish to get rid of him before he's even signed anyone or without even one full season in charge, which was my original point in all of this, as a poster suggested they should get rid of him in May.

Barring relegation/a relegation battle or him walking away, he'll be there at the start of next season. Personally, I couldn't care less how well United do and I'm not saying he's going to come good either. I just think people are being incredibly hasty and unrealistic about what he should have done within an incredibly short space of time.