Greenlizard0 Premier League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [26th - 28th December 2023]

omnomnom said:
This is half the issue. Consistency.

If they were given every week hardly anyone will have an issue but we are having games arguably decided by officials. IMO its a penalty but there was a far worse one not given at the weekend.

How VAR is implemented is a joke and the officials are garbage.
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I didn't lilke the penalty but rules are rules and it was the correct decision.

Someone mentioned cricket^

But look at rugby... The clock stops, the replay is shown on screen and discussions between on field ref and TV refs is live for all to hear.

Works a treat. What's the problem doing it this way?
 
Actually further to that I think that the reasoning is half of them don't know what they are doing lol :p

*edit* can't remember what game it was, think Liverpool had a goal disallowed which should have stood and Liverpool got the VAR audio released.

What a **** show that was, literally a bunch of jokers!
 
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Nate75 said:
I didn't lilke the penalty but rules are rules and it was the correct decision.

Someone mentioned cricket^

But look at rugby... The clock stops, the replay is shown on screen and discussions between on field ref and TV refs is live for all to hear.

Works a treat. What's the problem doing it this way?
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Players are largely idiots and cant string a sentence together without swearing. The other thing that makes me laugh is when laws are just ignored for whatever reason. Tonight someone will score, theyll go into the crowd and theyll get a booking. Did Bernardo Silva get one for the same thing last night? Nope. Not the biggest deal but it shows a complete lack of consistency and City seem to get away with and get given a lot.

Nope.
 
Nate75 said:
Actually further to that I think that the reasoning is half of them don't know what they are doing lol :p

*edit* can't remember what game it was, think Liverpool had a goal disallowed which should have stood and Liverpool got the VAR audio released.

What a **** show that was, literally a bunch of jokers!
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That was vs Spurs, the only PL defeat of the season for Liverpool but we are having them every week. The officials did their very best vs Burnley as well to try and screw Liverpool out of points
 
Clown Watch said:
DERMOT SAYS: "If you look where Salah is, he is directly in front of [Burnley goalkeeper] James Trafford. Whether Trafford would have ever been able to stop it, nobody knows but he's in front of him. The argument being that Salah gets a little push from the defender, which pushes him into an offside position.

"I think the dilemma is that, is the push enough to give a penalty? I would say no, so the fact that he's in that position, is just unfortunate.

"It's just such an unusual situation because he is in line, but he's in line because he gets a little shove into there, but not enough to give a penalty.

"The referee's only got two options: offside or penalty? I don't think it's a penalty, so he's got to give offside."
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I'm not buying Dermot saying he thought we were appealing for a penalty for the push on Salah, this has got to be a coached response from the PGMOL.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
I'm not buying Dermot saying he thought we were appealing for a penalty for the push on Salah, this has got to be a coached response from the PGMOL.
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Clearly a coached response. Interesting how he's said only 2 outcomes, pen or offside, guess indirect free kicks are no longer a thing. Was there anything on gakpo's goal?
 
Clown Watch said:
DERMOT SAYS: "I think if he doesn't give it, nobody says anything.

"The clue for me is Charlie Taylor, because if you see Taylor, he just puts his hands on his head as much to go, 'What have I done?'

"But the certainty is, if the goal would have been scored, VAR wouldn't be coming back to overrule that."
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Don't even know what to say about this one.
 
Mitoma and Adingra added to the injury table now. Gonna be playing straight down the middle against Spurs given we have no natural wingers/full backs fit. Estupinian is supposedly fit enough to be on the bench but can’t have him playing 90 minutes after months out.

Grateful the Europa has a bit of downtime now so we can have some players back for it.
 
The issue isn't with transparency, its with consistency and competence and I have said it a million times, a big part of the reason football doesn't do as well as other sports with VAR is because other sports lend themselves to it waaaay better. Cricket is a very simple game and there is still the odd controversy. Unsurprisingly once you are dealing with interpretations and subjectivity. 95% of what it is doing is checking things they can be 100% sure about the correct decision.

Rugby doesn't use it for certain things that would very much have the same issues as football ie. forward passes and rugby just ignores some rules randomly. Its also a lot higher scoring so the impact of a single decision is perhaps not felt quite as keenly. They are also having quite a few issues at the moment with the way they are handing dangerous tackles and the punishment of players. Consistency, fairness, looking at 100mph incidents at 1/10th speed to decide intent and outcome etc... sound familiar?

Football can do a lot better but it will aways have a lot of issues many other sports don't which mean it will never be even close to perfect.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
I'm not buying Dermot saying he thought we were appealing for a penalty for the push on Salah, this has got to be a coached response from the PGMOL.
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He's explaining a flaw in the VAR process. VAR only gets involved in certain situations, in this instance whether Salah is offside and if so, was he fouled.

It's ridiculous and as above, it's a flaw in VAR but VAR has to call the offside but can only give the penalty if its clearly a foul, which it wasn't. It's mad that Burnley can commit an offence and we have a goal ruled out but the officials had little choice but to do so. Something should be changed in the future so that VAR can use some common sense but I doubt it will.
 
fez said:
The issue isn't with transparency, its with consistency and competence and I have said it a million times, a big part of the reason football doesn't do as well as other sports with VAR is because other sports lend themselves to it waaaay better. Cricket is a very simple game and there is still the odd controversy. Unsurprisingly once you are dealing with interpretations and subjectivity. 95% of what it is doing is checking things they can be 100% sure about the correct decision.

Rugby doesn't use it for certain things that would very much have the same issues as football ie. forward passes and rugby just ignores some rules randomly. Its also a lot higher scoring so the impact of a single decision is perhaps not felt quite as keenly. They are also having quite a few issues at the moment with the way they are handing dangerous tackles and the punishment of players. Consistency, fairness, looking at 100mph incidents at 1/10th speed to decide intent and outcome etc... sound familiar?

Football can do a lot better but it will aways have a lot of issues many other sports don't which mean it will never be even close to perfect.
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Yes but why can't it be put on the big screen and discussions between ref and VAR refs be public, what they hiding :p

Anyways on with tonight's games...


Welbeck should be scoring that!
 
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