Greenlizard0 Premier League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [30/31 Dec 23 1/2 Jan 24]

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woppy101 said:
but those 2 penalties are perfect examples of penalties that are only given at anfield to the home team, the foul on Longstaff wasn’t even checked and was as much of a penalty as the other 2.
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You do realise we weren't given the clearest, most obvious penalty going just 2 games ago vs Arsenal and went 11 months without being awarded a penalty between April '22 and March '23? I know you love a conspiracy theory but the idea that Anfield had anything to do with the decisions is nonsense. People won't like the Jota one because he could have stayed up (I have no idea other than people paying attention to that moron Neville, why there's even a discussion about the Diaz one) but until officials start giving fouls when players stay on their feet, I never have and never will have any problem with players going down when tripped.

The Longstaff appeal would have been checked by VAR. It wasn't given onfield and because it wasn't clearly and obviously wrong (not that I agree with this but the fact he loses possession meant it was never going to be given also), VAR were not going to overrule the official.
 
BaZ87 said:
You do realise we weren't given the clearest, most obvious penalty going just 2 games ago vs Arsenal and went 11 months without being awarded a penalty between April '22 and March '23? I know you love a conspiracy theory but the idea that Anfield had anything to do with the decisions is nonsense. People won't like the Jota one because he could have stayed up (I have no idea other than people paying attention to that moron Neville, why there's even a discussion about the Diaz one) but until officials start giving fouls when players stay on their feet, I never have and never will have any problem with players going down when tripped.

The Longstaff appeal would have been checked by VAR. It wasn't given onfield and because it wasn't clearly and obviously wrong (not that I agree with this but the fact he loses possession meant it was never going to be given also), VAR were not going to overrule the official.
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That’s why you got those Dives/penalties last night because of the **** up 3 games ago, we all know that’s how it works.
 
woppy101 said:
Your tears will be even more delicious, when you throw away the league again.
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I fully expect man city to win the league again, they were my choice at the start of the season and they are still favourites for me. If we get 2nd like i predicted that's a great season for me, especially as we are in the middle of a rebuild.

I'd be more worried about your own team being in free fall if I were you :)
 
Newcastle are in trouble and the dive for the second pen wouldn't change the fact that Liverpool played Newcastle off the park and deserved the win. I just can't stand cheating. There was minimal contact but if he'd gone down at the point of contact it would have been a pen, a soft pen but a pen. Taking 2 more steps then throwing himself to the ground is diving and any fan regardless of team affiliation should call it what it is, cheating.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Newcastle are in trouble and the dive for the second pen wouldn't change the fact that Liverpool played Newcastle off the park and deserved the win. I just can't stand cheating. There was minimal contact but if he'd gone down at the point of contact it would have been a pen, a soft pen but a pen. Taking 2 more steps then throwing himself to the ground is diving and any fan regardless of team affiliation should call it what it is, cheating.
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Can you clarify what difference taking two more steps makes? In your opinion, is it only a penalty if the foul is sufficient to take the player off their feet? If so, how do you account for players having different qualities in terms of strength and balance? Messi is a lot harder to knock off balance than Heskey - should Messi therefore be awarded fewer fouls?

Less balanced players than Diaz and Jota may well have fallen over immediately. Why should that change anything?
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
Newcastle are in trouble and the dive for the second pen wouldn't change the fact that Liverpool played Newcastle off the park and deserved the win. I just can't stand cheating. There was minimal contact but if he'd gone down at the point of contact it would have been a pen, a soft pen but a pen. Taking 2 more steps then throwing himself to the ground is diving and any fan regardless of team affiliation should call it what it is, cheating.
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This^^^, it was so one sided that I actually said at 1-1 “if newcastle get a 2-1 loss out of this, there has still been a robbery” but some Liverpool fans can’t seem to admit when they are given a shocker of a penalty that it wasn’t a penalty, and instead see it as some sort of vindication or justice for a shocker of a decision that you didn’t get 2 games previous
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
There was minimal contact but if he'd gone down at the point of contact it would have been a pen, a soft pen but a pen. Taking 2 more steps then throwing himself to the ground is diving and any fan regardless of team affiliation should call it what it is, cheating.
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woppy101 said:
This^^^, it was so one sided that I actually said at 1-1 “if newcastle get a 2-1 loss out of this, there has still been a robbery” but some Liverpool fans can’t seem to admit when they are given a shocker of a penalty that it wasn’t a penalty, and instead see it as some sort of vindication or justice for a shocker of a decision that you didn’t get 2 games previous
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Mentioned it before but an ankle tap in rugby has the exact same outcome. Jota goes down when the leg that was fouled hits the ground in his next stride.

So it's a penalty at point of contact as you both agree in your own words. End of discussion then right?
 
C Kent said:
Mentioned it before but an ankle tap in rugby has the exact same outcome. Jota goes down when the leg that was fouled hits the ground in his next stride.

So it's a penalty at point of contact as you both agree in your own words. End of discussion then right?
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So does that mean they should have gone back and awarded a penalty for the foul on Longstaff?
 
woppy101 said:
i was a penalty at the “point of contact” a fouls a foul and all that. Or can you not see that through those red blinkers you refuse to remove
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Contact in the box isnt automatically a foul...

I've called out pens we've got previously that weren't. Pretty sure the dom one you linked I didn't agree was a penalty. But do carry on the tears are fun.
 
Its usually quite clear when a player has been impacted by contact. Jota wasn't. He ran on and once his brain processed that there was any contact he threw himself to the ground. Unfortunately he was a bit slow on the update and unlike most players, it ended up looking like what it was. It was a dive. It didn't do anything to his stride, his balance etc. It was a dive. I'm astonished how many pool fans are defending that. If that was Fernandes that did that you would all be screaming about diving and cheating.
 
I'm a Liverpool Fan and I would have been fuming if that Pen would have been given against us, I was more annoyed that Jota could have put the ball in the net but decided to hit the deck. Very Soft Pen. I thought the Ref was poor from the point he started showing cards (and then refused to book Joelinton!!). Still reds deserved to win.
 
C Kent said:
Contact in the box isnt automatically a foul...

I've called out pens we've got previously that weren't. Pretty sure the dom one you linked I didn't agree was a penalty. But do carry on the tears are fun.
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Just like the “contact” wasn’t enough to bring jota down for the second penalty, as “contact in the box” isn’t automatically a foul, eh?
 
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BigB@dJ@y said:
I'm a Liverpool Fan and I would have been fuming if that Pen would have been given against us, I was more annoyed that Jota could have put the ball in the net but decided to hit the deck. Very Soft Pen. I thought the Ref was poor from the point he started showing cards (and then refused to book Joelinton!!). Still reds deserved to win.
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wow, a Liverpool fan that can call it like it is without red blinkers. Yep you no doubt should have been out of sight after 20 mins TBH.
 
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