Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread (and FA Cup) ** spoilers ** [23rd - 27th March 2012]

mmj_uk said:
Nope, the difference was Essien had his arm in the air... they're not normally given when your arm is down by your side and the ball gets booted against it like yesterday.
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Nope, the speed the ball is travelling at and distance to the player is also to be taken into consideration. The letter of the law also states that it must be intentional hand ball. It's not as cut and dry as you say it is and both could easily have been given and justified. Also for Essien, it looked to me that his arms were more in a face protecting position rather than up there to deny a goalscoring chance.

The justification for both of the penalty claims in the Man Utd Fulham game being denied was really that the ref didn't have a good enough view in both cases.
 
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grimm said:
Nope, the speed the ball is travelling at and distance to the player is also to be taken into consideration. The letter of the law also states that it must be intentional hand ball. It's not as cut and dry as you say it is and both could easily have been given and justified. Also for Essien, it looked to me that his arms were more in a face protecting position rather than up there to deny a goalscoring chance.
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Well if you're putting your arm up to stop the ball from hitting your face then it's indeed intentional handball, if your arm is down by your side there is nothing intentional about it unless you deliberately make a movement towards the ball which was not the case yesterday.

I'm not denying they've been given before but in most cases if it's ball to hand with arm by side it's usually not given, when it's arms flailing around in the air like with Essien they usually are.

grimm said:
The justification for both of the penalty claims in the Man Utd Fulham game being denied was really that the ref didn't have a good enough view in both cases.
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Even if he saw the handball that occured they are in most cases not given when they occur like that.
 
Not saying you're completely wrong, but it's just not as clear cut as you say.

I think Essien was unlucky because it's not as if it happened on the goal line is it?

There are also loads of clumsy challenges in the box every week that aren't given as penalties. Just because it's the top two teams people really do get worked up over it as if they've bought the title or something.

Just watch a Stoke game, you're guaranteed to see at least 3 dodgy tackles in the box that don't get given as penalties just because they're a very physical defensive team (not that they should get away with it mind, buy they do). Stoke did have a period where they were caught out by this and gave away quite a few penalties away but it seems to have stopped happening now and they're back to their old ways.
 
Bleurgh. ITV commentary.

We've got Adrian Chiles talking about Everton doing anything for a semi and Clive Tyldesley spouting cliches.
 
divaboy said:
They are playing some pretty old stuff IMO. Granted not as good as winter but by no means poor:confused:
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poor is a bit harsh but we have a serious inability to score 9 or 10 shots on target about 20 shots in total to boltons 0 in the half and it remains 0-0. there's something wrong.
 
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