Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [11 - 14th May 2013]

Irrespective of the final games last season, Spurs were what, 11 or 13 points ahead at one point? Same this year. Can't be mad at us pipping a table position (again) that should never have been up for grabs in the first place. It might have been over already if Barndoor hadn't decided to remember how to play football these last 2 games, but as it stands we've got another year of final-day drama.
 
Really hate the love Wigan seem to get every year. They play about 6-8 games a season and are non-existent the other 30. There are plenty of teams in the Championship that could easily replace them, and do better. Decent football but can't defend and deserve to go down.
 
This has been coming for a long time for Wigan. I still have reservations about Martinez, I'm amazed he's thought about so highly. Sure they can pass the ball around up top and hardly spend any money, but season after season they're down here because the very basics of defending escape them.

The best way to describe how bad it is to watch them and ask what formation they're playing. It's nigh on impossible to tell from how they set out defensively. At times it looks like some crazy 1-2-3-2-1-1 hybrid formation. It's so odd.
 
A good solid performance and two nice goals. Could have been 4-0 inside 20mins but for some great saves from MCCarthy.

No real pressure and the desire to give something to the fans was evident tonight but still everyone looked sharper, faster, stronger and basically completely different players from Saturday.
 
This has been coming for a long time for Wigan. I still have reservations about Martinez, I'm amazed he's thought about so highly. Sure they can pass the ball around up top and hardly spend any money, but season after season they're down here because the very basics of defending escape them.

The best way to describe how bad it is to watch them and ask what formation they're playing. It's nigh on impossible to tell from how they set out defensively. At times it looks like some crazy 1-2-3-2-1-1 hybrid formation. It's so odd.

Me neither. He's finished 16th twice, 15th and 18th. The previous 4 seasons before he arrived they finished 10th, 17th, 14th and 11th.

He's brought them down if anything.
 
Everton will make a huge mistake if they get Martinez in to manage them next season. He's just not that good really and him at Everton will mean they could very well flirt with relegation next season.

Anyhow still got a job to do on Sunday, another televised game so will be again bricking it because no matter what result Spurs get against Sunderland...we need to win, no ifs ands or buts about it...it's really that simple...we need to win and I don't care how we win...I'd be happy with us winning ugly if need be.
 
Really hate the love Wigan seem to get every year. They play about 6-8 games a season and are non-existent the other 30. There are plenty of teams in the Championship that could easily replace them, and do better. Decent football but can't defend and deserve to go down.

it's dissapointing because they can play some decent stuff. the most depressing thing is the likes of stoke and sunderland get another turn in the pl. i'd take wigan over that pair any day.
 
Can anyone really see Newcastle beating or getting a draw...
Definitely, I'm not saying I expect it to happen buy I can see Newcastle playing a good game with no pressure and/or Arsenal screwing it up, but if they do you just know Spurs will concede a late equaliser to Sunderland and fail on goal difference.

Then they'll get close again next year, Bale will force through a transfer, Spurs will get another great player, maybe Damiao who will turn out to be amazing and carry Spurs for a few more close seasons with them finally finishing fourth in 2016 or 2017, just as England lose a Champions League spot due to our coefficient dropping due to a period of German dominance and Italian resurgence. Damiao will toddle off to Real or Barca and the whole cycle of pain will start all over again.
 
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The best way to describe how bad it is to watch them and ask what formation they're playing. It's nigh on impossible to tell from how they set out defensively. At times it looks like some crazy 1-2-3-2-1-1 hybrid formation. It's so odd.

I've used that to devastating effect in FM13 I'll have you know.
 
Rubbish end to a fairly boring season, only the Arsenal/Spurs/Chelsea results matter on the weekend.

Really? The bottom half of the table was changing all season. People saying Southampton are safe when they were on about 39 points and then a couple of wins for Wigan and Villa and they were right back in the thick of it. Loved and hated being in the relegation mix :p.
 
Me neither. He's finished 16th twice, 15th and 18th. The previous 4 seasons before he arrived they finished 10th, 17th, 14th and 11th.

He's brought them down if anything.

First year form was the first half a season, the second half was poo, its pretty common for at least one promoted side to have an awesome run based on confidence/form of the previous season, a few injuries, tiredness and a couple losses and it generally goes out the window, this happened to Wigan, that explains the 50 point first season.

They've been between 38-45 points since then basically, while wages were low, they doubled their first year in the prem, and increased by 10mil for 2 seasons after that, since then its gone backwards. They got to a point where debt had gone from 30ish mil getting promotion to down in the first year due to the initially low wages and massive increase in tv money, from there the debt went from around 20mil to 68mil in 2-3 years, and has barely grown under Martinez. they were effectively a growing club in the first few years with a growing squad, and since then spending is down while in general average wages are up in all other clubs. They've reduced spending while everyone else has increased spending. A club standing still for the past four years would have seen wages increase by a decent amount, while Wigan are one of the only teams to reduce spending(outside of those like Newcastle and those in dire trouble trying to drop wages, and almost all of those, Bolton, Blackburn, Portsmouth, Newcastle(at the time), got relegated already).

At almost every stage they've been in the prem they've had the smallest revenue and smallest wages. Almost everyone with revenue anywhere near where they were are already relegated.

In 2009/10 Wigan had the smallest revenue at £43mil, the teams above them, Burnley with £45mil, Hull with £47mil, Bolton with £54mil, Brum with £56mil, Blackburn with £58mil, Stoke with £60mil, Portsmouth with £60mil, Wolves with £61mil, Sunderland with £65mil.

The teams that have stayed a little safer than Wigan have 50% more income almost, the teams that didn't, all got dropped, most into financial trouble, a couple in absolute freefall.


However through all that Martinez has stayed up playing half decent to watch football, and had the courage to be whipping boys playing proper football which has meant some high scoring entertaining games for viewers. I'll take both their better to watch wins and highly entertaining goal fest losses, than watching Brum draw their way to safety in the most boring way possible, and Stoke kick, punch, elbow, stamp, shirt pull and generally foul their way to safety.

Why are they down the bottom, an inability to afford better defenders, better defenders ask for more money and then end up at clubs who can pay more, not much more than that.

They could have probably done better buying "stoke" type players, cheap players who just kick everyone, offer very little to the fans watching(their own or others) and been another physical awful team to watch in the league. People like Martinez because on a shoestring budget he's at least tried to play football. Teams get relegated, so what, its not ultimate failure, its part of football, its supposed to happen, the team with the smallest budget and smallest wage bill SHOULD struggle most seasons.
 
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