Pardew 2 game touchline ban. If he managed a top 4 club it would have only been 1 but ho humtouchline bans rarely mean anything these days.
Bugger, could have been worse I suppose.
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Bugger, could have been worse I suppose.
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Pardew 2 game touchline ban. If he managed a top 4 club it would have only been 1 but ho hum
Is this for pushing the official the other week? If that was Wenger then the Internet rage aimed in his direction would be ridiculous.
Yeah it was.
Maybe Wenger would have received more flak but it's the way Pardew dealt with it, very apologetic and even gave us a little anecdote, the rascal
So, we conceded less then?
Not one to make grandoise statements but that's possibly the thickest thing that's ever been recorded.
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Same situation but Wenger got one game ban and an 8k fine and, I'm pretty sure, he didn't apologise straight after as Pardew did (though I may be wrong on that account) Says it all really
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And we got less points, are clean sheets worth less points to you somehow?
Not to make grandoise statements but, the lack of understanding on this forum is amazing.
Stoke had 7 shots last year, and 7 shots this year. Liverpool had something like 8 shots 2 years ago, 12 shots last year, and 19 shots this year(with about the same amount on target each time), Sunderland have had 2-3 shots on target every year.
We got clean sheets last year, plenty of them, they mean... nothing. They DO NOT indicate a good defence in any way. A great defence tends to (but not always) get more clean sheets, a poor defence rarely gets them, most teams, poor and good, get clean sheets, its indicative of nothing.
Combine the stat with watching the game. Liverpool had 50% or so more shots than last year, and plenty of them excellent chances. Mertesacker did a red card/penalty worthy pull back on Suarez meaning. Better ref and we would be down to 10, and had conceded a penalty, so the ref can swing our defence good or bad the other way because of one stat, that is meaningless?
We were awful defensively against Liverpool, Stoke were simply awful and they got a goal, its really very simple Walters put the ball in the net, we defended that play terribly.... Walters goal wasn't dependant in any way on him being offside, we didn't play him offside, we just left a guy alone in the box and he could just as easily have been half a yard back when the ball came to him and he'd still have been able to get to the ball easily. I say awful because, Liverpool were poor, they had one player even slightly decent and we failed to mark one player out of the game. Gerrard gave us the ball more than we took it off him, Suarez was abysmal, and Liverpool playing poorly managed to get 19 shots in, many very dangerous(if an actual striker was taking them that is).
We didn't concede, not because we defended brilliantly, because ALL the same problems last year were there this year. Mertesacker can't read the game, is slow, clumsy and rubbish, Gibbs can't defend.
We didn't look or play defensively solidly, the opposition strikers were awful in two games and Stoke barely tried to attack in their game, Stoke can't score to save their lives anymore. We manage to get a clean sheet against City playing well, that is one thing, infact if we concede 4 really unlucky goals against City but we defended better as a unit and limited them to 4 shots, that would be a better defensive performance than a clean sheet against a team that can't hit a barn door.
It's quite brilliant anyway, there are fans, pundits, commentators saying Arsenal are doing better instantly, defensively because we've not conceded, I haven't seen a single person point out what it is we're doing better in defence. IE Arsenal are improved..... because having watched them Gibbs is in position a lot more and has been dramatically better.. its just, Arsenal are better because they got a clean sheet, nothing else. It's lazy journalism, and not even slightly accurate.
We MIGHT be much better this season because of Bould, we might be worse, there hasn't been a single hint of evidence in the way we've played that a single thing has changed in defence. Mert, same exact mistakes and in every game, Gibbs, same exact mistakes in all the games. Can you highlight a single way we've improved that doesn't involve using the clean sheets statistic in any way? Has our shape been better, nope, has Gibbs improved, nope, did Diaby help out loads, nope, did Mertesacker get faster and better, nope.
When no one could say "but they've had clean sheets" if the ref had gotten just one decision different(and correct) then there is nothing behind the argument at all.
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Pardew 2 game touchline ban. If he managed a top 4 club it would have only been 1 but ho hum
exactly - they really mean diddly squat
To be fair its a reasonable penalty, it wasnt exactly dangerous but FA have to cut any chance of other similar incidents from managers
Managers should be showing their players how to behave, not getting in on the Joey Barton acts themselves lol
wat? we were talking about defending, not points
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DM, are you autistic?
LOL who knows but i was expecting him to come in all guns blazing after my comment about our defence being solid in the firt 3 games. As usual he didnt disappoint, i was half tempted to tell him to STFU and just enjoy our solid defensive display so far but whats the point??.
Anyhow hearing rumours that Lloris is already not happy after 4 days at Spurs lol. AVB has made it clear that hes not the first choice keeper but rather the 2nd choice keeper. Dont know how true that is really as really on Didier Deschamps, French manager mentioned something about it today on SSN.
Never a dull day at Spurs
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There is no point trying to argue with him, I agree with him on certain things and I expect most Arsenal fans would agree with him on some of his points too but there's just no optimism in him at all, he rarely has anything good to say about the team he "supports" and it just gets tiresome after a while. I mean, the guy is trying to argue that an offside goal is still a goal and therefore we don't actually have three clean sheets from three games.
I mean, nobody is saying our defense is absolutely rock solid, or anything like that, but I don't think it's a coincidence that Bould is appointed number 2 and suddenly the defensive performances have improved on last year, it's visible just from watching the way the players tend to cover each other and be a little more cautious, barring a couple of incidents it's been a good improvement on last season.
Anyhow hearing rumours that Lloris is already not happy after 4 days at Spurs lol. AVB has made it clear that hes not the first choice keeper but rather the 2nd choice keeper. Dont know how true that is really as really on Didier Deschamps, French manager mentioned something about it today on SSN.
Never a dull day at Spurs
Has AVB chosen these players, or has Levy just gone over the top of him and bought the players that he thinks Spurs need? Friedel won't have many years ahead of him at the top of his game so Lloris wouldn't have to wait that long for a starting place but I think that's beside the point. You don't sign the first choice French keeper and one of the best keepers to come out of France in recent years and then stick him on the bench behind a pensioner. AVB's comment about there being nothing in Lloris' contract about guaranteeing him a starting position is just retarded and reiterates my thoughts that AVB has no clue how to deal with humans.
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There is no point trying to argue with him, I agree with him on certain things and I expect most Arsenal fans would agree with him on some of his points too but there's just no optimism in him at all, he rarely has anything good to say about the team he "supports" and it just gets tiresome after a while. I mean, the guy is trying to argue that an offside goal is still a goal and therefore we don't actually have three clean sheets from three games.
I mean, nobody is saying our defense is absolutely rock solid, or anything like that, but I don't think it's a coincidence that Bould is appointed number 2 and suddenly the defensive performances have improved on last year, it's visible just from watching the way the players tend to cover each other and be a little more cautious, barring a couple of incidents it's been a good improvement on last season.
Couldnt have said it better, i know im pessimistic about Arsenal and have been pretty much since ive supported them but honestly i see a huge improvement in our defence. If thats the effect of Steve Bould then ****ing brilliant in all honesty
, too many times in the past few seasons we have conceded some utterly bizarre late goals costing us points or even the game. So ill gladly take 3 clean sheets over conceding 10 goals. Let him carry on arguing that the offside goal with Stoke was a goal against us, its a stupid and silly point to argue...the goal did not stand, if it did then yes we wouldnt have 3 clean sheets.
Although i will agree with you that he does make some good points especially about some of our players that shouldnt even be on the ptich, let alone being paid lol. I do wonder sometimes if we did win the treble or quadruple, would DM still be moaning about our style and how Wenger manages the team.
Him and NickG should just get a forum to themselves and they can argue till the cows come home about how rubbish Arsenal and Utd are
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I have no idea but either way, its not a good start to his career at Spurs. Everytime ive seen Lloris, he looks pretty solid and is a lot younger than Friedel. Its a shame we didnt nab him in the past as we were linked with him a few times especially when we couldnt rely on one goalkeeper to be number one. But its not a huge loss to us as Chessers has come on leaps and bounds and has made the GK his place. Although i thought Mannone has done well in the past couple of games.
But it does seem like AVB hasnt a clue about how to manage players, i felt sorry for him when he got booted from Chelsea but its happening again at Spurs so he could very well be the problem.
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