Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [24 - 28th November 2012]

Do United scout the next opposition at all?!?!?!

They GAVE QPR a goal because they just stood off them in such a depressing manor.

We beat them by pressing them with the ball, no idea why United thought they would just muck it up... (complacency)

Oh and for DM's wacky theory, QPR are a dreadful team, dreadful collection of dreadful players with dreadful management/coaching. They will go down and the best improvement they have made is sacking Hughes in admission that they have no idea how to stay up.


Oh and BWAHAHHAHA Redknapp leaving early to beat the rush in the carpark so he doesn't have to give an interview through the window :D

And that's why I don't rate Mingolett
 
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Pingwing- what the hell did you lot do to Dean Hammond? ... He was superb for us a few years ago, probably our best player. Since he has returned though he looks a shadow.... He can't do anything anymore!
 
Not our fault, Colchester broke him. Pards bought him to be captain when we went down to L1, he was good in L1, it was his level. We hardly played him in the champ (Schniderlin and Cork are both better than him) so he got out of practice a bit, other than that goal on the opening day against Leeds.

I never rated him, good tackle but useless at passing, positioning, running with the ball or doing most other things a CM does... Dean Wilkins (our old assistant and your old manager I think) rated him and knew what to do to get something out of him but he's been gone for ages and Hammond has become an average L1 player because of it.
 
Oh god he's gotten even worse! Back in L1 he looked good, then again that was against a 19 year old Schniderlin (who wasn't ready), a 33 year old Paul Wotton (football genius...) and the karate kid (Oscar Gobern).

Plenty of our fans were annoyed we loaned him out, no idea why, fairly high up on the list of players we just have to get rid of.
 
He is just a complete passenger now. Though to be fair he is not the only centre mid passenger we have(sparrow, crofts, dicker to an extent, though dicker is better than those two). Luckily Orlandi looks very good and will hopefully take his place in the middle with bridcutt
 
^^ Haha :D some beat tashes grown this year! Crouch looks really rapey too...

He is just a complete passenger now. Though to be fair he is not the only centre mid passenger we have(sparrow, crofts, dicker to an extent, though dicker is better than those two). Luckily Orlandi looks very good and will hopefully take his place in the middle with bridcutt

He got sent off away at Reading last year and since then that pretty much sums up his game, more depressing version of Chaplow :( (if you get him on loan he's exactly the same but with less hair and more violent).

Hopefully he is found out and is replaced though.
 
LOL oh dear Arsenal drawing with relegation battler that is Villa :/. How we couldnt even put one measly goal beyond them is utterly beyond me.

I wasnt expecting a thrashing but to draw with Villa is diabolical when other teams ie City and Utd beat them the past few weeks.

Still expect us to lose to Everton and the most hilarious thing is that WBA seem to be a better side than us :/. Will be interesting as hell to see how we play against them.

I'll say it now and i said it earlier this season, us getting 4th is going to be tougher than last year.
 
No, a team going for 4th SHOULD beat the current Villa, who actually played not at all badly against Utd, with Ireland being particularly good and having a couple chances of goals stopped by the ref for non existant fouls on Scholes.

We shouldn't beat them automatically by right, a team looking to finish 4th and push on for 3rd or higher in the near future should however beat them. A team spending 120mil + a year on wages, should be embarrassed to come less than 4th because Spurs/Liverpool are their closest spending rivals, Spurs some 35% less or so and Liverpool actually a lot more last time I saw, though it should have come down, and Arsenal shouldn't use Liverpool underperforming as a benchmark of how well they are doing.

The problem today was, okay yesterday, was Villa were not only not brilliant, not even particularly good.... they were better than us. They put in the performance of their season and beat us playing well, I can accept, enjoy and congratulate them and us on good performances. When we play utter turd, and they play okay but by no means brilliant, I'm angry, mostly at Wenger, but at the players too. Arteta... well, its Arsenal syndrome, the longer a player spends at Arsenal, the worse they get.
 
Hughes had a team that for me was improving, but not fast enough and key, wasn't getting results or winning so was fired.

Listening and reading Queens Park Rangers fans comments, it seems that the opposite was happening, it seems like the football club was going backwards and the influx of new players was only exacerbating the situation.

I've only seen QPR play twice I think this season, they were terrible on both occasions.

So, in short, I disagree with pretty much everything you said that that sentence.
 
For those that care, Wednesday were out played today. It was not a lack of fire power up front like we have lacked in some games this season, Wednesday came up against a much superior side who came in to this game after winning their previous game 6-0. They were better and fully deserved the win.

I hope Wednesday can turn the slump round, I really do, it's heart breaking going to watch my club go through this run of form :(
 
Listening and reading Queens Park Rangers fans comments, it seems that the opposite was happening, it seems like the football club was going backwards and the influx of new players was only exacerbating the situation.

I've only seen QPR play twice I think this season, they were terrible on both occasions.

So, in short, I disagree with pretty much everything you said that that sentence.

You've seen them play twice, so make sweeping generalisations? Also you are quoting fans... who are by and large stupid and most fans from most clubs dislike short term loss for long term gain.

Its pretty simple, Warnock had a fairly steady squad when they joined the premiership and even got a couple wins off form and playing positively... ultimately the lack of real talent showed very quickly and results took a nose dive. Did Hughes get instant improvement when he joined like O'neill.... no, it took time idea's, training improvement, real improvement, takes time.

Real improvement(assuming the players aren't good enough) takes time, and new players need time to gel. Find and download a video of for instance the first game after the transfer window shut, and the Arsenal game, or the three before that and you'll see a completely different team.

Ultimately they had 3/4 of their first team defence out for a fairly decent amount of the season already, they rebuilt the team and the short term effect of rebuilding a team, is it gets worse.

Think about any other team in the league, if Utd replace Rooney, Ferdinand, Carrick, valencia, Rafael and De Gea tomorrow, with Drogba, Pedro, Alves and Valdes tomorrow, do you think that team would play better or worse in when they don't know each other, haven't played with each other and have played different tactics, with a different team, in a different way.

Last seasons QPR improved drastically over time, but it wasn't a team that could do particularly well in the league, the team they put together, a couple duds, Park was a complete failure, others aren't, Diakete looks good, Mbia looks good, Hoilett we already know IS good, Granero looks pretty excellent, Cisse can be good, Taraabt's form is improving, Bosingwa doesn't look great, but better than what they had, Caesar actually has looked pretty much brilliant.

Caesar, a world class keeper who is now showing that form, his first game was terrible and his second game wasn't great, since then, he's been fantastic. The team they have, fit, and with a bit of time can easily stay up.

Fans want the O'neill effect, instant turn around in form, but then want it too stick, it generally doesn't happen. QPR had meh players, very very meh players, and that team with any manager wouldn't stay in the prem league for long, to make a team that does, it needed to be rebuilt, anyone who thinks that takes days, is mental.

City with half a billion took 4-5 years and the initial turn around was very slow, but steady and City were a vastly stronger side than the QPR side that got promoted last year.


QPR can put out what

Caesar,
Boswingwa, Ferdy, Mbia, Traore,
Hoilett, Faurlin, Granero, Taraabt,
Cisse, Zamora.

That is the start of a really very decent team, brilliant, no, european challenging, not far off, will they take time to play well with each other, absolutely. That team isn't bad, due to injuries, bad luck and a couple stupid reds, that team hasn't been played much if even once yet, and won't be till Feb with Zamora out.

Most of that team is now fit, give them a couple games together, and training with that team with everyone fit, and that team can become pretty decent. Ultimately you go backwards to go forwards, its common, its also common that people don't like the idea and can't see why buying a new team doesn't instantly play well together and whinge about it.

Can you honestly say that team I listed, which is the team he's put together, isn't miles, and miles, and miles better than the one he had last year?
 
Life is not as simple as that

Is a bit, Villa are cack, bought cack players and generally Lambert seems to want to alienate their top goal scorer to set an example. Arsenal should have won, but seemed to e lacking a cutting edge (probably from playing in Europe so much).



So, in short, I disagree with pretty much everything you said that that sentence.

Everyone does, he's being obtuse to have a rant about Wenger. Silly as its getting out of hand this week given how utterly terrible QPR are.

For those that care, Wednesday were out played today. It was not a lack of fire power up front like we have lacked in some games this season, Wednesday came up against a much superior side who came in to this game after winning their previous game 6-0. They were better and fully deserved the win.

I hope Wednesday can turn the slump round, I really do, it's heart breaking going to watch my club go through this run of form :(

:( that's a shame, though Leicester are a team that should have been promoted 2 years ago and have been conspiring to ruin them selves for no reason.

Hopefully you can turn it around, Watford next who have been comically hit and miss all year would be a good one to turn it around against!


QPR can put out what

Caesar, (good but doesn't look interested)
Boswingwa (cack), Ferdy (utter cack), Mbia (utter cack), Traore (worst player in the league),
Hoilett (not a RM), Faurlin (terrible), Granero (bit meh), Taraabt (ok but selfish),
Cisse (cack), Zamora (broken forever).

That is the start of a really very decent team...

Pretty sure you are trying to see something that isn't there really. The majority of the team trade on past glories of their old teams, have turned up to a new club, been paid a lot and have been found out to be very poor footballers. Cesar is their best player and on his old Inter contract of 88k per week I would expect that. Boswingwa is on pretty much what Chelsea were giving him at something like 70k per week and he is utter cack, does nothing and looks bored.

The majority of those players could not walk into any other premier league team which is why they are at QPR in the first place.
 
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No, a team going for 4th SHOULD beat the current Villa, who actually played not at all badly against Utd, with Ireland being particularly good and having a couple chances of goals stopped by the ref for non existant fouls on Scholes.

But then should united not be beating norwich, galatasaray and certainly not be losing to bilbao , ajax, and a host of other clubs which resulted in us getting shipped out of the cl last season.?

As an arsenal fan you have to understand that in recent years you have sold off your best players and are unable to buy better players as replacements. Hence you have to take a chance on the Giraud's of this world.

Indeed where arsenal were considered the 2nd team in England now you are fourth with players seeming to choose in this order. Chelsea, united, city arsenal. So in england only If the three before you don't want the player can arsenal actually sign them. Plus foreign clubs like Ahnzi or psg signing players up that arsenal can't compete against financially. Truth is a player has to be well down the pecking order to even consider moving to arsenal at all.

You remove the arsene Wenger pull effect and I think that arsenal player pulling power drops even further.
 
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Liverpool & Swansea teams.


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Downing and Henderson playing may as well give them the points now that midfield will be broke from kick off :/ Henderson if stays in right won't play well there rarely does and downing just sucks as a footballer. Suso to be on by half time
 
Well no need to worry there, Downing is living up to his left back nickname as he's starting there today and Enrique is left midfield.
 
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