Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [26th February - 3rd March 2016]

sigma said:
Something has to change though, surely? Although I guess this answer depends on what you want the club to achieve/success to be measured by.

Sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards.
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I honestly think it is a mental block for Arsenal, their player quality in the first team and squad is excellent, they just struggle to 'get over the line'.

Given the circumstances this season, Arsenal not taking advantage is hilarious and fully illustrative about the size of the mental fragility of the squad, club, coaching.

Wenger is a phenomenal manager, has raised Arsenal to a European power, and an excellent bastion of 'good' football within England and Europe. He has continued to bring the consistent European football and challenged for trophies.

While I totally get the frustration Arsenal fans have, firstly it is relative (similar to United fans coming to terms with the fact they have fallen from their lofty position) and secondly, be careful what you wish for and you just have to look at Manchester United post Sir Alex.
 
sigma said:
Well, not quite, but he was going to be a star striker.
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Who knows he might have been if he hadn't got that injury that kept him out of last season and most of this season.

I like Welbz but I don't think he's our saviour tbqh. I think we desperately need a more clinical striker, Giroud is just not good enough...he's not a 30 goals+ a season striker. Neither is Walcott, who amazes me that he manages to steal a living as a footballer.
 
Yas786 said:
And that is exactly the problem, people saying it would be stupid to get rid of him. Makes me laugh when I hear that rubbish, are you of the same thinking that your other supported team Utd should hang onto LVG even though he hasn't done well this season??

Personally I think it's time we tried someone different, sure it may backfire on us but then we won't know till we break ties with Wenger and get someone in with a fresh new approach.

But don't worry the board don't have the balls to sack him off and he won't leave until his contract expires and there is every chance he may sign an extension. Heard rumours that the board want him to stay for another couple of yrs.
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Who would be available to come in that can reasonably improve upon what Wenger achieves?

Post Sir Alex was always going to be a struggle, however, Moyes was not the option - I think he was seen as a 'safe' pair of hands due to the unavailability of other managers.

As for Van Gaal, well, I do not totally understand? Van Gaal has won nothing, the Manchester United squad is the weakest it has been for a considerable length of time and the football is regressive and well, to be honest poor.
 
Yas786 said:
Who knows he might have been if he hadn't got that injury that kept him out of last season and most of this season.

I like Welbz but I don't think he's our saviour tbqh. I think we desperately need a more clinical striker, Giroud is just not good enough...he's not a 30 goals+ a season striker. Neither is Walcott, who amazes me that he manages to steal a living as a footballer.
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Walcott, at least this season, has proved he is not of the required quality to warrant a place in the Arsenal team/squad.

Giroud is not good enough to be the 'main' striker for a European club.

'Welbz' is criminally underrated, but not a first team choice :), all my opinion of course :).
 
Tummy said:
I honestly think it is a mental block for Arsenal, their player quality in the first team and squad is excellent, they just struggle to 'get over the line'.

Given the circumstances this season, Arsenal not taking advantage is hilarious and fully illustrative about the size of the mental fragility of the squad, club, coaching.

Wenger is a phenomenal manager, has raised Arsenal to a European power, and an excellent bastion of 'good' football within England and Europe. He has continued to bring the consistent European football and challenged for trophies.

While I totally get the frustration Arsenal fans have, firstly it is relative (similar to United fans coming to terms with the fact they have fallen from their lofty position) and secondly, be careful what you wish for and you just have to look at Manchester United post Sir Alex.
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Which is all down to Wenger is it not??

Wenger WAS a phenomenal manager but he is now a dinosaur as much as it pains me to say it. Seems like the game and tactics have passed him by, to get beaten by a relegation battling side that rested a few of their main players is diabolical. To get beaten by a Utd team wrecked by injuries is just unforgivable imho. And the icing?? Wenger deflecting blame from himself and saying Utd and city have spent?? Ermm hold on, have Arsenal not spent as well?? Ie Özil and Sanchez?? Who weren't cheap by any means?? It's cringeworthy that instead of taking the blame on himself, he's trying to blame Arsenal problems on Utd or city lol lol.
 
Tummy said:
Walcott, at least this season, has proved he is not of the required quality to warrant a place in the Arsenal team/squad.

Giroud is not good enough to be the 'main' striker for a European club.

'Welbz' is criminally underrated, but not a first team choice :), all my opinion of course :).
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Pretty much agree with u above.

As for who can come in and improve on what Wenger has done?? That's the million dollar question I guess but seeing as Pep is now going to be at City, Klopp is at Liverpool...I'd try and get Simeone in if possible or even Koeman at Soton.

But there are plenty of managers out there that could possibly do as good or a better job than what Wenger is doing. Look at Pochettino?? A guy with no previous experience but came in, had a great first season with Soton. Then moved to Spurs and is doing a tremendous job there at the moment.
 
Yas786 said:
Which is all down to Wenger is it not??

Wenger WAS a phenomenal manager but he is now a dinosaur as much as it pains me to say it. Seems like the game and tactics have passed him by, to get beaten by a relegation battling side that rested a few of their main players is diabolical. To get beaten by a Utd team wrecked by injuries is just unforgivable imho. And the icing?? Wenger deflecting blame from himself and saying Utd and city have spent?? Ermm hold on, have Arsenal not spent as well?? Ie Özil and Sanchez?? Who weren't cheap by any means?? It's cringeworthy that instead of taking the blame on himself, he's trying to blame Arsenal problems on Utd or city lol lol.
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No. "Aidy" Boothroyd is a dinosaur. Wenger is a phenomenal manager.

Manchester United spent what? 60+ million on Di Maria, and this season 30 + (I forget both figures) on Martial - that is more than Sanchez and Özil? Arsenal are out spent by Manchester Clubs, and Chelsea? Are they not? While I take it as a weak defence from Wenger, he is not wrong.

I would not say he is blaming Arsenal's problems on either Manchester Clubs, just more of a 'look what we are up against' type scenario. He was critical of the team for losing 'two easy goals' against United.

There is a mental fragility at Arsenal, I think that with Özil, Sanchez, and Cech Wenger clearly tried to bring in players with an experience of winning trophies but they have so far being unable to lift the rest of the squad.
 
Tummy said:
'Welbz' is criminally underrated, but not a first team choice :), all my opinion of course :).
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I think he's overrated! For United he used to run about a lot, I'll give him that, but he missed many a chance due to not having that finishing instinct, he's only scored 10 or more a season twice. Having said that he's 25 now and I guess he might suddenly start scoring loads but the clock is ticking and he's been playing for long enough. I always thought he should have been an attacking midfielder.
 
Yas786 said:
Pretty much agree with u above.

As for who can come in and improve on what Wenger has done?? That's the million dollar question I guess but seeing as Pep is now going to be at City, Klopp is at Liverpool...I'd try and get Simeone in if possible or even Koeman at Soton.

But there are plenty of managers out there that could possibly do as good or a better job than what Wenger is doing. Look at Pochettino?? A guy with no previous experience but came in, had a great first season with Soton. Then moved to Spurs and is doing a tremendous job there at the moment.
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Pochettino is working under different circumstances and under different pressure, he is (again, in my opinion) doing a 'building' job.

I could have seen Guardiola at Arsenal. Simeone is an excellent manager, but the change in style that he would enforce upon Arsenal would be unfathomable and would have even more Arsenal fans moaning on the radio/television/internet.

I honestly, think Wenger will leave on his own terms - maybe at the end of this season, or next, maybe longer. However, Arsenal fans would do well to remember what happened to Manchester United post Sir Alex.

Liverpool have financial clout, Tottenham do, Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea... that is a lot of competition that for a number of years Wenger has more than kept up with.
 
sigma said:
I think he's overrated! For United he used to run about a lot, I'll give him that, but he missed many a chance due to not having that finishing instinct, he's only scored 10 or more a season twice. Having said that he's 25 now and I guess he might suddenly start scoring loads but the clock is ticking and he's been playing for long enough. I always thought he should have been an attacking midfielder.
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I think he is underrated :p. I have never really seen him as a 'striker' more of a forward, or an inside forward (playing from the left/right). He has an excellent attitude, and work rate. He's quick, fairly technically competent, he often lacks consistent composure in front of goal - but is rarely given a consistent run of 90 minutes.

I would not pick him ahead of say, Sanchez, but I think he is an excellent squad option.
 
Welbeck is overrated massively. He is alright but nowhere near the quality a top team needs.
 
He's not the answer but surely it has to be better to at least try him when our other 2 strikers don't know where the goal is.

Just wondering, does anyone actually rate Ramsey? He always seems to get man of the match but me and my wife think he's awful and has been since the injury after his good season a couple back.
 
drunkenmaster said:
As yet, regardless, that cash IS in the Arsenal books and we've heard that it can be spent. Kroenke is allowed to take as much of that cash out as he wants.... but he hasn't. He paid himself what 3mil a year, which frankly is nothing. It's his club and he's entitled to do that. The cash is in the Arsenal account and it's Wenger who stands up and says we don't need anyone. It's also not Kroenke refusing to sell Arteta, or giving new contracts to Walcott, Rosicky, Diaby for years.

Kroenke is the owner, Wenger is in charge of buying, selling, wages, giving out new contracts... we aren't failing financially, there isn't 100mil being sucked out of the club every year by the owner. Each problem we have is solely down to Wenger. 2-3 mil a year, probably almost 3 mil a year on average for Diaby.... to have absolutely no effect on the team, Rosicky, etc. All this money adds up to the utter wasteful nature of the club. Walcott getting a new contract rather than being shown the door because he's not a good footballer. Which problems are down to Kroenke and not Wenger exactly?
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How do you know that huge amounts of money are there for the manager? If youre going by newspaper reports, then, by your own admission, what they write is 95% bs. Do you think Kroenke has the emotional attachment to football that Abramovich does? He couldn't give a monkey about winning trophies and that's why Arsenal won't spend 150m in one transfer window. Why do you think theres huge tension between Usmanov and Kroenke? Arsenal spent 10m before this season, its not a lot. We could have spunked 50m on Benzema like everyone wanted but would he be the difference between a league title or not. I don't think so. Had Arsenal got Suarez, well....things would be a lot different. He was never going to come to Arsenal though when Barca popped their heads up.

CliffyG said:
Just wondering, does anyone actually rate Ramsey? He always seems to get man of the match but me and my wife think he's awful and has been since the injury after his good season a couple back.
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That's why you and your wife aren't paid to make footballing decisions :p. Quality player, Barca will be sniffing round him soon i think, he'd be perfect to replace Iniesta.
 
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I believe Welbeck is HUGELY overrated. I still maintain that Sir Alex playing Welbeck ahead of Berbatov cost us the league. He's poor infront of goal, and is by no means a striker. What's worse is he'd score the odd back-heeled goal and it would be touted as a world class finish. Yes he's quick and will work hard, but absolutely was not (and probably still isn't) good enough for Man U, nor Arsenal.

I have absolutely no idea how we got £16m for him. Bahahahahaha :D

I'm aware some people think he's brilliant, same amount of people think he's terrible.
 
Welbeck blows hot and cold a lot but when he is cold he is pretty awful and when he is hot he will be decent but not great but he will score the odd great goal. Hes a support striker though. If you relied on him as a main striker you would really struggle.
 
Trusty said:
That's why you and your wife aren't paid to make footballing decisions :p. Quality player, Barca will be sniffing round him soon i think, he'd be perfect to replace Iniesta.
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I've seen enough of him and he's not positively influenced a game all season. He's a headless chicken at the best of times and gives the ball away so many times there is no way Barca will be interested (am amazed you can say that seriously !). Yet another player at Arsenal who knows he'll always play no matter how bad he is.
 
CliffyG said:
I've seen enough of him and he's not positively influenced a game all season. He's a headless chicken at the best of times and gives the ball away so many times there is no way Barca will be interested (am amazed you can say that seriously !). Yet another player at Arsenal who knows he'll always play no matter how bad he is.
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There's already been a lot of rumours about him going to Barca, you just need to google it. He would be a good fit though. Would hate to see him leave.
 
There's lots of rumours about lots of things. Doesn't make them true. Ramsey isn't good enough to play in the middle of the park for us at the moment, the thought of him playing for Barca is laughable. When Cazorla is fit he'll get pushed out onto the right where he's even worse.
 
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