Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [27th September - 1st October 2014]
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I have wondered why, when Moyes was rated so highly by so many pundits (always saying that he needed more time at Man Utd), why hasnt any other club hired him.
In any case, Moyes would be good for a mid table team in trouble. He'll shore up their defence and make them difficult to beat.
In any case, Moyes would be good for a mid table team in trouble. He'll shore up their defence and make them difficult to beat.
Didn't seem to do that for United.
Mate at work was saying something about Pardew owing Mike Ashley a lot of money, and is the reason why he got the job in the first place and won't be losing it anytime soon or something? Sounds like an odd rumour, but he is a die hard toons fan so I dunno?
Which other clubs? Which premiership clubs passed him up? It's not unusual for managers to have a bit of time off because getting another job or waiting for the right one.
Or you could say if LVG was so highly rated why in his career have their been so many years he didn't work for large spells and why did so many clubs pass him over?
I think Newcastle would be a good fit for him.
I think that's the problem, lots of mid-lower table clubs might be interested in him for his defensive traits and consistency but Moyes probably sees himself as too good for them for now. He is probably not that desperate for money either considering the killing he made at United.
He'll likely choose his next club carefully as he won't want to be seen as a repeat failure like AVB was.
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I don't see Moyes doing well at Newcastle at all.
From what Everton produced last season it's quite clear he was holding them back. Combine that with some of the quotes coming out of Rio's book, he sounds like a clown.
Also I genuinely think Pardew wants to lose games, I mean who brings on Sammy Ameobi when you are chasing a game and need a goal? The guy is clueless man
From what Everton produced last season it's quite clear he was holding them back. Combine that with some of the quotes coming out of Rio's book, he sounds like a clown.
Also I genuinely think Pardew wants to lose games, I mean who brings on Sammy Ameobi when you are chasing a game and need a goal? The guy is clueless man
What about this season then.
He had multiple years there and achieved a higher finish that martinez, martinez inherited a stable squad that was excellent defensively and for once we had some money with the new TV deal to bolster that. He improved the style of play massively. Yet it doesn't matter if you get fourth with 61 points or 5th with 72 points. I still rather get 4th.
I think it's too early to say he was holding us back when Martinez is not exactly pulling off wonders this year. He wrecked United for a good while but I don't think that has any bearing on how well he was doing with Everton with limited resources.
It's only 6 games into the season, and Everton are 1 point behind last seasons runners up. So I wouldn't be bad mouthing Martinez just yet!
Moyes is a mid-table manager, and Newcastle are a mid-table club. But I don't see him as any different from Pardew. The club needs a new philosophy to it, and I don't see Moyes doing that.
Moyes is a mid-table manager, and Newcastle are a mid-table club. But I don't see him as any different from Pardew. The club needs a new philosophy to it, and I don't see Moyes doing that.
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I do like that depending on what happens danny entirely changes his story to suit having a go at Martinez. Last year when they were doing great he went on... and on... and on about how it's basically the same team and how Everton had no chance of keeping any of the loan players so they'd struggle massively next year because he put in short term improvements. When he gets those loan players in and brings in others, they were just crap to begin with and 72 points wasn't good anyway, anything to explain how doing better wasn't good. Now 51 points is better than 72 points.
Apparently the squad is stable even though there were often 4-5 changes in the starting line up, a HUGE change over one summer. So stable but he changed half the team. The half that remained, were youth players Moyes was refusing to give a chance to, some genuinely good defenders but of those defenders Distin/Howard were on their last legs. Distin hung on crazy long but is very old by CB standards. Keepers tend to stick around longer but 35 isn't young by any stretch of the imagination. Everton's fading, particularly defensively, late in games has been a long term thing, it's not new or down to Martinez, it's down to an ageing core of that defence.
Martinez has as limited funds as Moyes had, funds only having meaning in comparison to the competition. The top four get more tv money from the CL and bigger sponsorship, bigger stadiums in several cases as well. Everyone below them got the same tv money, this pushes up transfer prices and wages.
If Moyes was in charge Distin would magically not have aged? It's just time and Everton don't have the cash to buy in a dozen players a season. Distin may have held on another year and thus money in defence wasted, they could have bought two defenders and scored nothing up front this year.
Everton are the second highest(well were before last weekend, not sure if it still holds) in the league behind Chelsea.
Moyes was in charge for a very long time, bought poorly very often and managed to buy some decent players who he generally made worse. With Distin and Jag he got lucky, amongst many poor defenders he bought he got two who were not only good but one of them lasted freaking ages. Everton got Distin for £5mil at what about 30-31years old, he could have declined in two seasons and ended up a poor buy, he got lucky as did everton and got 5 solid seasons out of him. Next year they'll replace him, if not Jan, and likely have to buy a keeper and maybe a younger CB as a longer term replacement for Jagielka.
That is how football works, you fix one thing(like the offence) the defence gets worse, then you fix the defence, and you'll have a couple long term injuries upfront and that will get worse.
You could ask how Martinez took over a team with Hibbert as the back up RB, Heitinga as CB back up, Phil Neville as a DM, Jan Mucha and Mason springthorpe as backup goalkeepers.
Moyes had an ageing defence with no plan B, crap back up, crap goal keepers. The exact same defensive decline would have happened under Moyes, but without the goals coming in at the other end. But blame Martinez and entirely ignore the fact that Moyes left behind a defence on it's last legs, act like it would have continued to be that solid literally forever because age and form apparently have no effect, it's entirely Martinez's fault, we all know dozens of players who are still their best at 2 months from their 37th birthday.
Apparently the squad is stable even though there were often 4-5 changes in the starting line up, a HUGE change over one summer. So stable but he changed half the team. The half that remained, were youth players Moyes was refusing to give a chance to, some genuinely good defenders but of those defenders Distin/Howard were on their last legs. Distin hung on crazy long but is very old by CB standards. Keepers tend to stick around longer but 35 isn't young by any stretch of the imagination. Everton's fading, particularly defensively, late in games has been a long term thing, it's not new or down to Martinez, it's down to an ageing core of that defence.
Martinez has as limited funds as Moyes had, funds only having meaning in comparison to the competition. The top four get more tv money from the CL and bigger sponsorship, bigger stadiums in several cases as well. Everyone below them got the same tv money, this pushes up transfer prices and wages.
If Moyes was in charge Distin would magically not have aged? It's just time and Everton don't have the cash to buy in a dozen players a season. Distin may have held on another year and thus money in defence wasted, they could have bought two defenders and scored nothing up front this year.
Everton are the second highest(well were before last weekend, not sure if it still holds) in the league behind Chelsea.
Moyes was in charge for a very long time, bought poorly very often and managed to buy some decent players who he generally made worse. With Distin and Jag he got lucky, amongst many poor defenders he bought he got two who were not only good but one of them lasted freaking ages. Everton got Distin for £5mil at what about 30-31years old, he could have declined in two seasons and ended up a poor buy, he got lucky as did everton and got 5 solid seasons out of him. Next year they'll replace him, if not Jan, and likely have to buy a keeper and maybe a younger CB as a longer term replacement for Jagielka.
That is how football works, you fix one thing(like the offence) the defence gets worse, then you fix the defence, and you'll have a couple long term injuries upfront and that will get worse.
You could ask how Martinez took over a team with Hibbert as the back up RB, Heitinga as CB back up, Phil Neville as a DM, Jan Mucha and Mason springthorpe as backup goalkeepers.
Moyes had an ageing defence with no plan B, crap back up, crap goal keepers. The exact same defensive decline would have happened under Moyes, but without the goals coming in at the other end. But blame Martinez and entirely ignore the fact that Moyes left behind a defence on it's last legs, act like it would have continued to be that solid literally forever because age and form apparently have no effect, it's entirely Martinez's fault, we all know dozens of players who are still their best at 2 months from their 37th birthday.
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He [Moyes] took Man Utd, from the top to the mid-table.
He also took Everton from lower middle, to upper middle, over a period of many years, but was unable to win a single trophy.
What he is good at is taking any team to the mid-table.
This should hold true for a team at the bottom of the table (which already has some decent players). ie Newcastle.
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Some calamitous defending from Blackburn Rovers if anybody didn't catch it..
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