Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [28th April - 2nd May 2012]

Tom84 said:
The problem is it's living in cloud cuckoo to think like that, he says we should have signed Aguero, Aguero cost City £38m, name me a club that isn't City, Chelsea, Barcelona or Real Madrid who are able to spent that kind of money on one player? People need to realise that in some case you just cant compete (we should be thankful that we're in the position we are able to spend as much as we do in the first place tbh).
For the record Falcao cost €40m which I believe is just over £30m so again we're talking about a sizeable amount of money for just one player and for all this talk of these big money strikers that we should have signed how many goals more have City scored than us in the PL? Two. If the title is lost on GD then it's the goals we've let in that have hurt us more and like you say we've been without our best defender for more or less the entire season.

Spending upwards on 30m this summer or another striker would be the wrong thing to do and that's why I'm not particularly interested in all this talk of Eden Hazard, we failed to match City in midfield last night and that's where we need to address things not on another wingers or any more strikers.
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BWe do have prior for spending 30 mill on players we've done it at least 4 times...Veron, Rooney, Rio, Berbatov...

So after we sell a player for 80, i dont think its too much to bring in a real talent for that much money.

We dont have a proper striker partnership, we have rooney and a.n.other out of welbeck and hernandez, neither of whom are going to cut it, as proven this season. Remove rooney and we are in serious doubt.

Line up with Falcao and Rooney up front and opponents are going to a, get bruised, b, concede goals. If we had cleared the decks last summer, i.e sell berba for 10-15 and then buy falcao or someone, then it can only have helped us this season, of not in the league, then in europe.

Coincidentally Falcao has scored 33 this season, same as rooney.

Welbeck has 12 in 39. Hernandez 12 in 35. Okay both have sub appearances inflating their alleged game time. But im sure you can see what i mean.

That we buy an untested Jones, or Smalling over a Vincent Kompany, or a Cahill isnt my fault. Fergie has thrown 30 million at 2 defenders there and frankly neither of them have really shown themselves to be worth their fees yet. You cant buy two such untested players for such a high fee, both center backs, when you actually need a Right Back and a Left Back (backup to evra), and to strengthen the rest of the team. Its criminal really.

I can see what fergie has tried to do, buy young, english. build for the future. This is fine if you already have a great squad. Sadly, our squad is either ancient, (Scholes, Giggs, Rio to an extent), or under par, Carrick for instance, or a prospect who shouldnt really be playing at all, like Rafael, Fabio, Cleverly, they should be our substitute cameos. Then you have the players who simply arent good enough, like Welbeck, Park etc.

We needed to add quality, not youth, sadly, fergie thought that we could hustle and bustle our way to the title with these band aid fixes. It still might work, but if not and our only return is the charity shield, then we must be exceptionally dissapointed.
 
The Running Man said:
BWe do have prior for spending 30 mill on players we've done it at least 4 times...Veron, Rooney, Rio, Berbatov...
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Read what I said.

Aguero - £38m, plus whatever extortionate amount City are paying him in wages
Falcao - £32m, proven at that point only in the Portuguese league

Both of those would have smashed our previous transfer record, one of which we'd of been competing with City over and the other proven only in one of Europe's weaker leagues (when compared to Spain, England, Italy and Germany)

The Running Man said:
We dont have a proper striker partnership, we have rooney and a.n.other out of welbeck and hernandez, neither of whom are going to cut it, as proven this season.
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And what about last season? Hernandez scored 20 goals last season, was it a fluke? A one off? Quite possibly but at this point just as possible as this being the typical tough second season. Was you saying this time last year when Hernandez was scoring goals against Chelsea handing us the title that Hernandez wasn't going to cut it or is this just you and another example of not being able to see more than two foot ahead of yourself?

The Running Man said:
That we buy an untested Jones, or Smalling over a Vincent Kompany, or a Cahill isnt my fault. Fergie has thrown 30 million at 2 defenders there and frankly neither of them have really shown themselves to be worth their fees yet. You cant buy two such untested players for such a high fee, both center backs, when you actually need a Right Back and a Left Back (backup to evra), and to strengthen the rest of the team. Its criminal really.
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Do you know where we'd be without having the amount of defenders we have? Again you fail to see further than two feet ahead of yourself, do yourself a favour and look back to the start of the season when there was no Ferdinand, no Vidic and we were playing a defence against Spurs, against Arsenal, against Chelsea with Smalling, Jones & Evans. Do what you say take them out of the equation and see what the results in those three games (that we won) would be then.

The Running Man said:
It still might work, but if not and our only return is the charity shield, then we must be exceptionally dissapointed.
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Yes it's disappointing but how about looking at the big picture? This is the first season in 10 years where we haven't been in a cup final, this could be the first season in 7 years where we dont win a trophy, I would ask if you're that spoilt that you cant handle one season like this but the fact of the matter is you've been bitching for years even when the team has been winning things. I really dont know why you bother.
 
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30 to 32 million isn't a jump really considering inflation and exchange rates.

38 million for aguero isn't cheap but then when is 22 league goals and double figure assists going to come cheaply.

that's the market. even Liverpool will spend 35 on a forward, albeit as a chain. chelsea happy to spend 50. you either buckle up and spend the money or you don't get the best. we aren't even competing for the best players.

i said buy a right back. you know a competant one. then we wouldn't have had to play cb at right back and therefore wouldn't have needed both Jones and smalling l. your not the only one to fall for it. capello did too.

big picture how are we going to get closer to the big teams without spending big bucks? a team of grafters with rooney thrown in just won't cut it.
 
well if you blow a combined 70 odd million on de gea, jones, selling and young you can hardly argue we didn't have money to spend.

if we had sold the deadwood like berbatov, park etc then this can only add more to the coffers.

we have had the money but we have spent it on largely ineffective
players and held on to players we could have gotten value back. again that's not my fault.
 
The Running Man said:
well if you blow a combined 70 odd million on de gea, jones, selling and young you can hardly argue we didn't have money to spend.
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Do you have a two second memory? We're going round in circles now.

No De Gea = relying on Amos a questionable at best reserve goalkeeper
No Jones & Smalling = no defence at the times when both Ferdinand and Vidic were injured not to mention the twins (why Smalling is even being talked about when he came a year prior I dont know, it's about as pointless as me saying we shouldn't of spent 19m on Anderson as 5 years later we may of needed that money elsewhere)

Anyway I think you need math lessons because the 3 players you're moaning about the club signing cost the 17m shy of the 70m you're claiming they did :o
 
Some of you talk so much **** it's unbelievable. All these young players you're slating are pretty much in their breakthrough seasons. All have shown tremendous quality and should be given time to mature. Or shall we just sell Smalling and just buy Maldini? He'll last a few games. There is a delicate balance between keeping the quality in the team currently but also ensuring there is quality for the future. I think Ferguson has been right to avoid most of the players we've been linked with. All too old and too expensive (yes hello Wesley). The only player I thought we should genuinely gone in for was Ozil.
 
cm1179 said:
how much was jones again?
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The point he is making that they are investing in the long term, Jones is 20 so could play for United for the next 10 years or more whereas Sneijder is almost 28 so United would only get 4-5 years out of him.

I love it when one of the big teams lose, because all the armchair transfer strategists come out and scream how they need tons of new players when really, they need to use the players they have more efficiently(with the odd new signing). First it was the Arsenal fans, then it was the Chelsea fans, then it was the Liverpool fans and now the United fans..
 
Monkeymatt said:
The point he is making that they are investing in the long term, Jones is 20 so could play for United for the next 10 years or more whereas Sneijder is almost 28 so United would only get 4-5 years out of him.
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i understand but he is proven, hence the price. though with carroll and his £35m tag, it's all a bit bonkers
 
Everton are unbeaten in their last six league games (W4, D2) and have only lost twice in their last 15 Premier League fixtures.

The Toffees have scored four goals in each of their last three league matches - the first time they have done this since 1964. They have never scored four goals or more in four top-flight matches in a row.

Nikica Jelavic has scored nine goals in his last seven appearances in all competitions.

Everton have scored 23 goals in their last 12 league games since Jelavic made his debut on 4 February. It took them 23 matches to score their first 23 league goals this season.



:cool: Unstoppable!
 
Monkeymatt said:
The point he is making that they are investing in the long term, Jones is 20 so could play for United for the next 10 years or more whereas Sneijder is almost 28 so United would only get 4-5 years out of him.

I love it when one of the big teams lose, because all the armchair transfer strategists come out and scream how they need tons of new players when really, they need to use the players they have more efficiently(with the odd new signing). First it was the Arsenal fans, then it was the Chelsea fans, then it was the Liverpool fans and now the United fans..
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I understand that. But honestly, where will UTD be this year/next yar if we keep buying for the guture without a core team to bring home the bacon?


TOM84 Do you have a two second memory? We're going round in circles now.

No De Gea = relying on Amos a questionable at best reserve goalkeeper
No Jones & Smalling = no defence at the times when both Ferdinand and Vidic were injured not to mention the twins (why Smalling is even being talked about when he came a year prior I dont know, it's about as pointless as me saying we shouldn't of spent 19m on Anderson as 5 years later we may of needed that money elsewhere)

Anyway I think you need math lessons because the 3 players you're moaning about the club signing cost the 17m shy of the 70m you're claiming they did
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Not at all - i didnt say 'dont sign a keeper'. Show me where i ever said that. If i did not, then your tone, attitude and posting has corroded your ability to make a valid point.

Im going to make myself unpopular, but hey whats new.

i STILL dont think we should have signed De Gea. My gut feel is that we would now already be champions IF we had bought a good goalkeeper to begin with. Not someone who needs restign every 4th match, or got dropped or whatever it was early on in the season.

i dont hold him personally accountable but he was definitely cuplable in both some of our early season premiership bad results.

and particularly in the champions league. I know he's young and a prospect etc. But hey, we are Man utd, we dont need to sign prospect keepers that will submarine our matches and cost us the next stage in the CL. we just dont need to do this.

Anyway, as i see it:

De Ge 18 mill
Young 18 mill
Jones 16 Mill
Smalling 9-12 mill

= 57 million or so, plus associated signiong on fees etc.

My point is, if we have smalling who has shown to be a decent CB from time to time, and Johnny Evans, and Vidic and Rio, not sure why we need to rush out and buy Phil Jones, when at RB we only have Rafael/Fabio, who both have added precious little in their time at UTD. they are young though, i get it.

hows about buying a first choice RB fergie?

Look at chelsea, another rivasl in the EPL, they ahve drogba and torres, okay torres has been off form, but Drogba has shown he can do it all himself anyway. Then they throw some younger players a life line, like sturridge and buy lukaku. We have a big guy but fergie chooses to not use him, so he might as well not be there. but he is still there?!

its maddness i tells you,
 
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Liverpool: Doni, Kelly, Aurelio, Skrtel, Coates, Henderson, Shelvey, Spearing, Maxi, Kuyt, Carroll.
Subs: Sterling, Downing, Robinson, Enrique, Flanagan, Carragher, Jones.

Quite the changed team tonight. Glad Doni is getting another game :p
 
squerble said:
Liverpool: Doni, Kelly, Aurelio, Skrtel, Coates, Henderson, Shelvey, Spearing, Maxi, Kuyt, Carroll.
Subs: Sterling, Downing, Robinson, Enrique, Flanagan, Carragher, Jones.

Quite the changed team tonight. Glad Doni is getting another game :p
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I was wondering why Liverpool's odds on Betfair just went through the roof, that team explains everything. :p
 
squerble said:
Liverpool: Doni, Kelly, Aurelio, Skrtel, Coates, Henderson, Shelvey, Spearing, Maxi, Kuyt, Carroll.
Subs: Sterling, Downing, Robinson, Enrique, Flanagan, Carragher, Jones.

Quite the changed team tonight. Glad Doni is getting another game :p
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Glad were giving Kelly and Coates another run out league wise whilst its ace when we win its not going to effect us much now anyway so may aswell save Suarez/Gerrard for Saturday.

I hope sterling comes on too at some point
 
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