Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [28th April - 2nd May 2012]

Our midfield is ****, but by playing two wingers and two strikers it at least drags players out of the central area. Playing as narrow as we did put huge pressure on our midfield, none of whom are especially capable in tight spaces, and it was painful to watch.

By playing as we did, not only were we dominated in the middle but also on the wings where Zabaleta and Clichy had total licence to attack because there was no-one in front of them.

Our team selection was baffling and substitutions even worse.

This does my nut in with any/all managers, playing to your weaknesses AND the opponents strengths is the worst ever tactic, sometimes you'll pull off a minor miracle, Inter/Chelsea but even then there was some tactical genius there. remember Barca are actually weak at the back, people have a go at their fullbacks but they are weakest when the two CB's come out, both whom lack pace, and the fullbacks have pushed on. Busquets, Xavi, Cesc, there isn't great pace in central mid either. Encouraging Barca forwards does limit their space upfront AND exposes their rear a lot more than pushing the entire Barca team back into their half(if you even could).

Here Utd just decided to fight in central midfield with worse players. You simply don't have to fight in midfield, CHelsea and Inter chose not to, at first glance you take Chelsea/Inter played into Barca's attack, but its always been their central midfield that dominated games for them. They simply said, lets not play there at all, crowd the space those guys like to pass into, and catch them on the break. It's also worth noting Inter's defence was stunningly good, a team built for it, and for all the hate for Terry, he's had another incredibly solid year, no pace at all yet reads the game better than most other CB's, if he wasn't such a dislikable bloke he'd be recognised as one of the best CB's in the world. Cole(since AVB left) has been in outstanding form, Ivanovic is just quality and Cahill isn't half bad to be honest. Utd for me though, aren't even close, Evra is a liability, you don't have a first team right back and Jones/Smalling just aren't "in form" at all, with Carrick protecting them even had they decided to defend deep rather than leave oodles of space against a great attack and lose in midfield, their defence isn't good enough. Utd's attack is their strength and they threw that option out before the game started.

I've said that for years, Real screwed it up for 18+ months under Mourinho doing a Fergie, fighting them in central midfield. You simply don't have to, Utd did not have to fight them in central mid, its stupid, nothing less. As you said Clichy(who was absolutely brilliant) and Zabeleta both had very little to do defensively and the reason Park was there, to help out Evra, was made worse by him being there. Evra has become a joke, Nasri didn't have a great game, he had a poor game, his final ball was poor and his one real chance he fluffed, however the simplicity with which an out of form player and a not particularly attacking fullback got down and passed around your left side was ridiculous.

Young would both have pegged Zabeleta back, helped Evra immensely, held the ball up the field and obviously won a penalty :p

Scholes had a 98% pass completion rate in that game, 98% ffs, that is unbelievable considering who he was up against in midfield... the problem was where he was passing. Rooney didn't make runs to get in on goal, Park didn't bomb down the wing, Nani didn't do much and Carrick did nothing to help push them onwards. His passing was as usual immaculate, he just didn't have anyone to pass to in the City half.
 
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Last of all, the thing that leaves me most disappointed is this United side is not even exciting to watch any more, there is just a total lack of fight, energy and enthusiasm in our performances.

It certainly is odd if for no other reason look at how we started the season, the quality of football we played in the Community Shield was fantastic, we then go and put 3 past Spurs, 8 past Arsenal, 3 past Chelsea when it really should have been 5 or 6.... I can understand the results post the 1-6 because it was about regrouping, getting a settled side, being less open and obviously dealing with the injuries we kept getting but the performances in the run in haven't been great either, previous United sides would have swept the floor with Fulham & QPR and ironically it wasn't until the game against Everton that we showed that early season attacking football again.

I don't think Rooney's had a great season though, yes he's scored goals but more often than not his all round play has been poor and it hasn't helped Nani not being available and in form either (as good as Valencia has been he's not got that bit of magic that Nani has).

Problem most teams are going to have next season though (certainly early on) is fatigue with the players involved in the Euro's so I dont expect free flowing football next season either.
 
Evra has very quietly become one of the worst left backs in the league, I honestly don't think that is a harsh or over-the-top description, he is diabolical defensively and going forward he makes Walcott look like the king of composure.
 
Problem most teams are going to have next season though (certainly early on) is fatigue with the players involved in the Euro's so I dont expect free flowing football next season either.

Poor excuse of poor managers, the Spanish national side has played basically more than anyone over the past 4-6 years, and most of those players also play for Barca who have also done, world club cup repeatedly, go to champs league final more than anyone else, go far in the domestic cup most seasons.

There isn't a side that can compare to the "tiredness" level of Barca, most don't even come close with Xavi doing 70game seasons.

Xavi has played over 60 games for 4 season in a row, 4 seasons ago he played 77 games, of which 73 were starts.

Rooney's longest season is 53 starts, 10 subs. Past 5 years, Xavi 319 games, Rooney 261.

Xavi has played an entire season extra and its not a hugely different story for most of the Barca squad and national side.

Not only is he playing more, because of the competitions they've been in, when they've finished out a season after a euro's or world cup, its madness.

Frankly, if Barca haven't decided to stop playing free flowing football, no one else has a chance of using it as an excuse.
 
Evra has very quietly become one of the worst left backs in the league, I honestly don't think that is a harsh or over-the-top description, he is diabolical defensively and going forward he makes Walcott look like the king of composure.

Defensively I agree, he's up there with the worst, you're being harsh offensively.
 
Defensively I agree, he's up there with the worst, you're being harsh offensively.

He has been a formidable left back for many seasons, we should have been looking to get someone in to take the burden off him at least 2 seasons ago.

Fabio looks promising, but as with his brother he needs to get some experience before he can be seen as a challenger to Evra for the LB position.
 
Here's hoping 0-0 draw in the Newcastle game and a Spur's win with Bale getting a ridiculously easy goal so it doesn't go to his head for the next game..
 
But then look at the fees you paid, in the past, when taking into account ~football inflation~,

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So, in today's money, Rooney was more like £60m... so the £38m for Agüero suddenly looks alright/Rooney was arguably more, in real terms.


I wouldnt bother with that, its massively flawed.
 
Newcastle to lose to Chelsea and then be tired and disappointed by the time they play City and get beat 3-0 or 3-1. I really hope I'm wrong but I think it's too much to ask for them to get results against two such massive teams in really good form.

edit: also, thoughts on this BBC article?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17925203

I really hope Moyes doesn't take over once Fergie goes, he's not the right man for the job.
 
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