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Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [28th February - 3rd March 2020]

Discussion in 'The Football Stadium' started by Cosimo, Feb 20, 2020.

  1. mmj_uk

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    Mark Clattenburg has come out today saying he would have allowed the goal to stand too, any argument that De Gea couldn't see is lost on the fact that he moved in the right direction to save the initial shot. If he couldn't see it he may well have saved the deflected ball as he wouldn't have been wrong footed. VAR is causing even more controversy than before and yet it was sold to everyone as a way to get rid of it all.
     
  2. omnomnom

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    Some refs seem to think its a 50/50 and thats fine and it happens. What wasnt 50/50 however was AWB completely cleaning Gylfi out and it not being a penalty.
     
  3. fez

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    Ole is clearly praying to the right gods at the moment.

    Still needs to go at the end of the season. If anything, getting top 4 this season is less of an achievement than ever with every other "normal" top 6 team apart from City and Liverpool being utter ****.
     
  4. sigma

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    I heard that the call was for offside?
     
  5. sigma

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    I'd say it'd be a pretty reasonable achievement considering injuries and the Utd squad. City and Pool are both fairly established squads aren't they? And their managers have been there a while now. Even then, look at how the injuries at the back have hurt City. Imagine if Pool lost VVD etc.
     
  6. adam cool dude

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    It's no different to the opposite game where de Gea was elbowed in the face and the goal stood. Some times you get them. Sometimes you don't.
     
  7. BaZ87

    Don

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    Utd have had 0 subjective VAR overturns go against them and 6 in their favour (+6) including the penalty won by James from a dive vs Norwich that even the PGMOL later admitted was a wrong call - this is by a distance the most in the League. Palace have had 4 for and 1 against (+3) and then Brighton are 2 for and 0 against (+2). No other side has more than a +1 score from subjective calls with Arsenal and Norwich both tied at the bottom with -3.

    If these decisions are going to start evening out then Utd are in line for some terrible luck in the remaining games this season.
     
  8. Shamikebab

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    We have had ones go against us though, like the De Gea one where he was fouled and VAR didn't correct the ref.
     
  9. BaZ87

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    That's not a VAR overturn as the decision was given by the ref. 99% of the time VAR doesn't overturn subjective decisions no matter how clear the onfield mistake was - look at the Le Celso red card challenge vs Chelsea or the penalty we should have had vs Norwich, both were straight forward decisions but both weren't overturned. Every club including Utd could point to loads of wrong decisions that VAR didn't overturn but it just so happens that the tiny amount of decisions they have overturned have mostly been in favour of Utd, including at least one that the PGMOL admitted was wrongly overturned.

    VAR for subjective decisions is a complete waste of time. We're getting very few more correct decisions, no consistency (the Son red vs the Maguire non red for example) but all the delays of checking every decision.
     
  10. adam cool dude

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    When we played the Everton game at home the goal that was a elbow to the face of degea shouldn't have stood and we would have walked away with 3 points. Yesterday's game if their goal stood they would have walked away with 3 points. Instead we both only have 2 points from those two matches.
     
  11. BaZ87

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    See above, that wasn't a decision overturned by VAR. Every side has had multiple wrong calls not overturned by VAR (the foul on Origi for your goal vs us at Old Trafford for example), very few times have VAR actually overturned a subjective decision.
     
  12. adam cool dude

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    The elbow in the face is not a subjective decision like the offside effecting play yesterday?

    I do agree it needs looking at and needs black and white rules adding to take away the subjective side of it but it is a hell of a lot better than what it was before. Can you imagine what would have happened in the 08/09 Champions league semi final between Chelsea and Barcelona had Var been in action!
     
  13. BaZ87

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    It was subjective but it wasn't a decision overturned by VAR. It was a decision that VAR decided wasn't clear enough an error to overturn. You can't compare VAR upholding an onfield decision and VAR overturning the onfield decision because we've seen 1000 times this season, where there's been an obvious penalty/red/foul in the build up to a goal, that VAR almost never overturns subjective decisions. Whatever the onfield decision, 99% of the time remains no matter how clear a mistake it was.

    As and when they have actually overturned the onfield decision it's been completely random and massively inconsistent. As I mentioned, look at the Son and Maguire kick-outs - near identical situations and one was overturned and one wasn't. Using the example you gave re De Gea and Everton and the Firmino goal vs Utd - VVD done practically nothing yet VAR overturned the onfield decision but a much more obvious foul on De Gea vs Everton wasn't overturned. They're making it up as they go along.
     
  14. adam cool dude

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    Maguire's wasn't overturned. A card wasn't even shown no?
     
  15. BaZ87

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    Yes, that's the point I'm making. Maguire's wasn't and yet the exact same incident a few weeks earlier was. There's zero consistency with how VAR deals with subjective decisions.
     
  16. Shamikebab

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    Well it wasn't the exact same was it, Son literally flipped over and extended his studs into his chest. Maguire straightened his legs into someone that was falling on top of him.
     
  17. BaZ87

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    Yea, he was trying to stop him falling onto him :D



    Looks to me that Batshuayi had pretty much come to a stop and was very stably standing up when Maguire kicks him.
     
  18. Shamikebab

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    So what was his motive then? It was right at the start of the game, couldn't see it being in retaliation to anything. Maguire hardly seems like a hotheaded bloke.
     
  19. BaZ87

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    Who knows, being barged over by Batshuayi? Everybody said Son wasn't the type too but whatever his motive was, he clearly kicked out.
     
  20. Shamikebab

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    Defenders will be barged over 5+ times a game, doubt it was that.