Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [29th Sept - 3rd Oct 2012]

One More Solo said:
Disappointed as I thought we deserved at least a point in the end. Giggs needs to take a leaf out of Neville's book and realise his time his up.
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THe worrying thing for you guys is Giggs can give up or not, its not his call that he plays, why is Fergie picking him for huge games when he's frankly a pile of poop now.

Was anyone other than Fergie not aware that Giggs lack of pace was going to hurt you hugely today on the wing both offensively and hugely defensively. everyone else saw it, why on earth did Fergie pick him.
 
drunkenmaster said:
THe worrying thing for you guys is Giggs can give up or not, its not his call that he plays, why is Fergie picking him for huge games when he's frankly a pile of poop now.

Was anyone other than Fergie not aware that Giggs lack of pace was going to hurt you hugely today on the wing both offensively and hugely defensively. everyone else saw it, why on earth did Fergie pick him.
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I saw Neville's decision to retire being as one for the good of the team and also a tacit admission that he would be picked to play on reputation rather than performance. Giggs needs to recognise too that no-one will make the decision for him.
 
drunkenmaster said:
THe worrying thing for you guys is Giggs can give up or not, its not his call that he plays, why is Fergie picking him for huge games when he's frankly a pile of poop now.

Was anyone other than Fergie not aware that Giggs lack of pace was going to hurt you hugely today on the wing both offensively and hugely defensively. everyone else saw it, why on earth did Fergie pick him.
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tbf Giggs wasn't directly at fault at any way for either of their goals the problem was while he was playing on the left it meant Kagawa was central who so far has shown he's just far too lightweight for that position, his first touch isn't good enough and both Spurs big central midfielders and centre backs just had no problem whatsoever just stepping in between him and the ball dispossessing him.

Either Giggs starting full stop or Kagawa starting centrally hopefully for our sake Fergie has learnt a lesson from today. Injuries aren't helping though with us missing Young & Valencia options were limited (not that that excuses the team selection completely)
 
Giggs was at fault by way of being rubbish in attack. Look at the second half, how many attacks did Spurs mount in the second vs the third. First part of offence, is up the field, winning the ball and attacking well enough to peg the other team back. Giggs might not have directly made mistakes leading to the goals, but he was part of an offence and probably the weakest/worst part of an offence that led to the other team attacking as much as they did.

Basically the second you switched him, Spurs were pushed back, some of that is mentality of players, tactics in the second half, players trying to hold on to it but a huge part of it was a hugely better offence making it too difficult for Spurs to get out.

Likewise, he also didn't get back to help with either goal, if you went with say Buttner at left back and Evra left wing, maybe the pace or reading of the game of one of those two would mean one of them would have made it back for the second goal.... maybe not.

Also Kagawa did plenty centrally in the second half, if was having more players making runs. RVP didn't do badly in the first half, he just didn't have the ball, one guy up on his own with one guy passing to him and the midfield pushed way back. As soon as the link up play starting happening and Utd players got closer to each other, the passing started to work. Kagawa scored making a run almost infront of the goal and very central. Two guys, tall and heavy or thin and lightweight will have trouble against 6 players with no support, 4 tiny guys won't do badly when up against 3-4 defenders. Defoe did great against Ferdy who towered over him. It's not size or physicality, it was the runs, the support and the options that were just non existant in the first half.

I'll even give Carrick credit, for the first time in really years you could spot Carrick get the ball with his back to goal, with players around him and an easy pass back to the CB, he turned and passed 20 yards forward. I player turning and passing 20 yards forwards rather than passing sideways or backwards is the difference between a fast break and a poor attack against 10 men behind the ball. It's such a small and simple thing but absolutely crucial.
 
Chelsea weren't at their best today but I'll take 3 points thank you very much and we seemed much better organised at the back than we have been.
Arsenal gave the ball away far too often and were woeful defensively at times especially for Chelsea's first and from set pieces, perhaps they need a new defensive coach or something?
Everton are going well.
 
shipinabottle said:
Going to eat that hat then?

Nothing to do with the Ref and everything to do with Fergie being a complete ****.
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Hardly through a lack of trying was it? No one comes close to Utd fans in their belief they're entitled to at least a penalty every home game. Must have been at least half a dozen times 70,000 fans screamed at the ref to give them a goal.... thought the ref was very strong today and deserves credit.
ScottehBotteh said:
Hah, fergie and the BBC interview.

Whining about lack of injury time, time wasting and late subs :D

What a ***
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4 mins plus the ref added a further minute of Fergie time... not really sure why there should have been 5 minutes added, I don't recall many stoppages?

Fergie still feels the need to call it a disgrace? What a joker :D
 
Chong Warrior said:
Hardly through a lack of trying was it? No one comes close to Utd fans in their belief they're entitled to at least a penalty every home game. Must have been at least half a dozen times 70,000 fans screamed at the ref to give them a goal.... thought the ref was very strong today and deserves credit.
4 mins plus the ref added a further minute of Fergie time... not really sure why there should have been 5 minutes added, I don't recall many stoppages?

Fergie still feels the need to call it a disgrace? What a joker :D
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:o
 
Chong Warrior said:
4 mins plus the ref added a further minute of Fergie time... not really sure why there should have been 5 minutes added, I don't recall many stoppages?
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30 seconds per goal / substitute is a standard isnt it? Thats how its usually worked out

So thats 4 minutes (Rooney's sub doesnt count as it happened during 1/2 time) before any free kicks etc
 
Really poor game at the Emirates today. Both sides were pretty wretched. Mata and Chech did ok for Chelsea, and Jenkinson and Gibbs for us.

Koscielny had a poor game, defending really sloppily for the first goal. The second I think Mannone should have had to be honest. I know the keeper can't move to the far post early in case someone gets a touch, but Kos was really the only one who got anywhere near it. As for Vermaelen, he left off from his stupid foul against Montpellier with another two today, and they've all been costly. He really needs to calm the **** down in the tackle sometimes because he doesn't half give away some stupid free kicks.

I actually thought Ramsey was ok in the first half but was sloppy in the second. Podolski was very quiet, as was Cazorla. Great goal by Gervinho.

I was sat right near the Giroud one at the end and it wasn't a total sitter. Cech did well to stand up and force him wide, and he couldn't really get it out of his feet. Should have just hammered it first time, but oh well. I really think Giroud needs to play from the start in the next couple of games.
 
Having just watched the Man.U. v Spuds game there's no point in any excuses, Spuds were the better team, deal with it.

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