Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [3 - 5th November 2012]
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Friedel? What? Gallas yeah, but Friedel no way.
Fair play to Swansea, they thoroughly deserved their point today & I would've had no complaints if they took all three.
We were pretty **** to be fair apart from Cahill & Ivanovic who did a good job in the centre and we missed Mata so much. Sometimes it's only when a player isn't playing that you realise that not only are they good but they make the rest of the side tick.
I've had it with Torres now, he looked great for a while early this season & I backed him but he's just fallen apart again, hopefully the promises made to him by RA & RDM can be rescinded as he hasn't delivered his side of the bargain & we can get someone in sharpish who knows how to control a ball, run with a ball & most importantly score.
Still, at least Spuds, Arsenal, Everton & City all dropped points, the former & latter unexpectedly so it's not the end of the world.
We were pretty **** to be fair apart from Cahill & Ivanovic who did a good job in the centre and we missed Mata so much. Sometimes it's only when a player isn't playing that you realise that not only are they good but they make the rest of the side tick.
I've had it with Torres now, he looked great for a while early this season & I backed him but he's just fallen apart again, hopefully the promises made to him by RA & RDM can be rescinded as he hasn't delivered his side of the bargain & we can get someone in sharpish who knows how to control a ball, run with a ball & most importantly score.
Still, at least Spuds, Arsenal, Everton & City all dropped points, the former & latter unexpectedly so it's not the end of the world.
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Well theres that too but when you have Wenger saying that he has the funds to buy a £30mill+ player and doesnt...makes u think why say it in the first place
Personally i dont think its a case of not paying £30mill+ for a player, its probably a case of the wages as Arsenal dont like to pay £100k a week to a player even though they could probably afford to. We were willing to give RVP £100k+ a week but even he could see that we werent going to win anything so decided to jump to Utd because theres more chance of him winning a few trophies with them than Arsenal. Would have been nice if he stayed for another yr and see how well we did with him, Giroud, Pod and Carzola in teh squad. But i dont blame the guy for jumping, season before it was Fabregas who jumped to Barca as he couldnt see Arsenal winning any trophies.
This^
Its the case of wages and wenger said this. He said that he offered 30+m for Hazard in the summer, same amount as chelsea but chelsea got him due to offering more wages.
Simple as that.
Same situation with Mata. he too was arsenal bound.
Anyways in regards to yesterdays match. we was poor. Santos was soo **** we might as well have played with 10 men form the get go.
The pen was harsh. its ball to hand ffs. Wilshere sending off was a tiny bit harsh as well. why? because cleverland, RVP, Ashley young all got away with much worse tackles.
rvp is a fool, i wished Sagna broke his leg. Still hate the classless fool RVP. SPAT on arsenal when he left after what the club has done for him
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the formation is the issue and the team selection as well.
Why not play 442 with girud and either podolski or walcott as the second striker/poacher?
Since when is Ramsey a winger?
Why is Santos still at Arsenal?
Yea it old u lot united will beta us easily and is always a predictable united win. its becoming a joke now
THIS!
how can people expect arsenal to keep hold of our players? this club aint run by a suger daddy. the club spends within there means.
Get real people
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Wenger's team selection is poor yes but so is Fergie. in the past, united fans here were all moaning about fergies team selection and tactics at times.
point is, every manager makes mistakes
Arsenal were balls as per usual, and it should be pointed out, Walcott did EXACTLY what he did against Reading, which is, nothing, no defensive help, no balls, no strength, no drive, no effort, he wanted a tap in, was only capable of a tap in and didn't get the chance to tap in.
Arshavin got very little of the ball and very little of the time, both of his real involvements ended up in chances on goal, one of them was scored..... same as his performance against Reading, he tried the right passes when he had the chance, and he did more defensively(albeit a foul which for me was more Santos's foul than his) as he worked hard to track someone, up the other end he won a header, against Ferdinand by using his strength to hold him off and it wasn't a random header, he gave it straight to Santi who then scored. Before that he got the ball for the half chance for Giroud.
Honestly despite doing nothing and barely going forwards in the first half hour, it was around the half hour mark when I first heard Arteta's name, or even noticed him on the pitch. Verm, Mert and Sagna all at various points made horrible clearances, Mert at least sliced it out for a corner, the other two led to direct chances on goal. Santos didn't make any poor clearances... yay..... it was only because he couldn't get near the ball to save his life....
Why on earth we aren't, with Sagna back, trying Jenks at left back I really don't know. Reading was really the perfect game to give him a try at left back before if he didn't completely lose the plot(its almost exactly the same role but some players are so painfully one footed or just retarded that they find the line being on the other side somehow makes them forget how to kick a ball), he would have been a most likely far far stronger option than Santos.
Overall the game was crap, Utd scored too early, and barely tried from then on. They cruised through the game and we couldn't create anything. Santi has been really poor for several weeks, and far too often did he take too long on the ball and take the easy backwards pass. The movement upfront was poor, but largely because the passes weren't coming in, there was no fluidity to our play at all. Ramsey sucks as a winger, Walcott is worse, Arshavin was our most effective player and he was on for 10 minutes.
Wenger is a twit, and we won't improve till he goes. I still laugh at the guys who insisted a few draws meant our defence had improved... if anything so far this year I think our defence looks worse. Kos and Verm are in significantly worse form than last year.
The game was crap. it was a waste of time. easy game for united. they did not break sweat at all .
Our defence is not bad. it seems bad but statistically we have one of the best defensive records in the league
Fergie could afford to take Cleverley off as united where coasting from the start of the game. heck they could have taken rvp and rooney off and still beat us easily.
Arsenal needed Wilshere more then united needed Cleverley
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Firstly the club is spending 50% more on wages than the likes of Spurs, spurs have a daft manager and have multiple bad games already.... they are ahead of us in the league.
People can pretend Arsenal don't spend and don't have money, fact is we do. Add up all the dross in the squad, the wages/transfer fee's/signing on bonuses/appearances bonuses and you're talking about 10's of millions of waste, per year, for donkeys years. Arsenal HAVE the money, its being mis-spent.
Rosicky had 3-4 good games in the entire of last season, completely worthless aside, his best games weren't particularly good... he gets a new contract, and everyone else on earth knew Rosicky would end up being injured again, that is 50-60k a week down the drain + a signing on fee, for a player everyone with an ounce of common sense could see wouldn't play a major part in the team.
Diaby, same, Djourou, same(less injury issues, just completely awful) what could he possibly have seen in Squillaci that made us buy him, Gervinho, Giroud(he looks like he might be "ok" but 10mil + on a completely average at best striker is simply a waste), and the list goes on and on and on.
We force quality players out of the club for no reason, we waste 20-30mil a year on crap players and bad buys, and people pretend Arsenal don't have money, pull the other one.
Likewise the wage structure, everyone on 60-80k a week rather than "meh" players who barely play on 20-40k and top players on 150k, with the rest of the squad still on 60-80k a week is how, errm, every single other club runs.
As for those saying RVP spat on Arsenal, you're an idiot. He gave 8 years at Arsenal, asked what Wenger said.... we now know what Wenger said, don't we, because he said it at the AGM. 4th is a cup, we're only aiming for 4th, we have no ambition to win, we will probably be competitive when FFP comes in...... you tell RVP that, and he leaves. RVP is completely in the right. Arsenal's problem now is both, spending on the wrong players, keeping crap, extreme waste of resources and we think FFP will make a difference. Firstly if other teams don't waste their money and we still give new contracts to Rosicky, Djourou other dross, we won't be the slightest bit more competitive under FFP, secondly, everyone else on earth knows where FFP is going. Big rich owners getting "friendly" companies to offer massive sponsorship, Liverpool, Utd, Chelsea, City, Real, Barca... its already happened, FFP is already a non issue. We're a team with a manager who is only aiming for 4th and thinks its a prize, while wasting our money on complete crap.
I gave a very good, quick opinion on Gervinho after 45 minutes, that highlighted EVERYTHING wrong with the player, I said it then, in the first preseason game, despite his two goals. How can I call that in one look at the player, and Wenger see's him play and spends over 10mil on him, beyond that, after seeing him be utterly inept game after game, he decided to drop a better striker he just spent 10mil on, to make the team worse and play Gervinho upfront. Our problem is Wenger, nothing more, nothing less.
I also don't expect us to keep hold of players, this is a non issue. Utd have lost all their best players, and gone on to win titles, Chelsea have lost plenty of their best players, and gone on to win titles, Real practically gave away RVP, Robben, Sneijder, and a massive long list of other players, and went on to win titles. Barca got rid of Eto'o, won a title, got rid of Ibra... okay lost the title, won others, went on and got other players.
Player turnover is NORMAL for EVERY CLUB, even the best, and even the best players from the best clubs, this is completely normal. Arsenal have lost some of our best players and gone on to win titles. Most of our best players were ridiculously cheap, Henry, Pires, Gilberto, Fabregas, RVP, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
The ONLY thing that has changed, is the quality of the player Wenger is buying, how much was Mirallas? Did he only go to a top club, he's better than Gervinho, cost less and will be on significantly lower wages... but we bought a more expensive worse player and gave him higher wages. We weren't forced to buy him, there were great players out there available, for less, who wanted less, who were better, Wenger's ability to spot a top player is simply not there any more.
Ultimately everything comes down to Wenger, there was a time he used to get rid of an Overmars to bring in a Pires, now he gets rid of a PIres to get a Hleb.
People can pretend Arsenal don't spend and don't have money, fact is we do. Add up all the dross in the squad, the wages/transfer fee's/signing on bonuses/appearances bonuses and you're talking about 10's of millions of waste, per year, for donkeys years. Arsenal HAVE the money, its being mis-spent.
Rosicky had 3-4 good games in the entire of last season, completely worthless aside, his best games weren't particularly good... he gets a new contract, and everyone else on earth knew Rosicky would end up being injured again, that is 50-60k a week down the drain + a signing on fee, for a player everyone with an ounce of common sense could see wouldn't play a major part in the team.
Diaby, same, Djourou, same(less injury issues, just completely awful) what could he possibly have seen in Squillaci that made us buy him, Gervinho, Giroud(he looks like he might be "ok" but 10mil + on a completely average at best striker is simply a waste), and the list goes on and on and on.
We force quality players out of the club for no reason, we waste 20-30mil a year on crap players and bad buys, and people pretend Arsenal don't have money, pull the other one.
Likewise the wage structure, everyone on 60-80k a week rather than "meh" players who barely play on 20-40k and top players on 150k, with the rest of the squad still on 60-80k a week is how, errm, every single other club runs.
As for those saying RVP spat on Arsenal, you're an idiot. He gave 8 years at Arsenal, asked what Wenger said.... we now know what Wenger said, don't we, because he said it at the AGM. 4th is a cup, we're only aiming for 4th, we have no ambition to win, we will probably be competitive when FFP comes in...... you tell RVP that, and he leaves. RVP is completely in the right. Arsenal's problem now is both, spending on the wrong players, keeping crap, extreme waste of resources and we think FFP will make a difference. Firstly if other teams don't waste their money and we still give new contracts to Rosicky, Djourou other dross, we won't be the slightest bit more competitive under FFP, secondly, everyone else on earth knows where FFP is going. Big rich owners getting "friendly" companies to offer massive sponsorship, Liverpool, Utd, Chelsea, City, Real, Barca... its already happened, FFP is already a non issue. We're a team with a manager who is only aiming for 4th and thinks its a prize, while wasting our money on complete crap.
I gave a very good, quick opinion on Gervinho after 45 minutes, that highlighted EVERYTHING wrong with the player, I said it then, in the first preseason game, despite his two goals. How can I call that in one look at the player, and Wenger see's him play and spends over 10mil on him, beyond that, after seeing him be utterly inept game after game, he decided to drop a better striker he just spent 10mil on, to make the team worse and play Gervinho upfront. Our problem is Wenger, nothing more, nothing less.
I also don't expect us to keep hold of players, this is a non issue. Utd have lost all their best players, and gone on to win titles, Chelsea have lost plenty of their best players, and gone on to win titles, Real practically gave away RVP, Robben, Sneijder, and a massive long list of other players, and went on to win titles. Barca got rid of Eto'o, won a title, got rid of Ibra... okay lost the title, won others, went on and got other players.
Player turnover is NORMAL for EVERY CLUB, even the best, and even the best players from the best clubs, this is completely normal. Arsenal have lost some of our best players and gone on to win titles. Most of our best players were ridiculously cheap, Henry, Pires, Gilberto, Fabregas, RVP, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
The ONLY thing that has changed, is the quality of the player Wenger is buying, how much was Mirallas? Did he only go to a top club, he's better than Gervinho, cost less and will be on significantly lower wages... but we bought a more expensive worse player and gave him higher wages. We weren't forced to buy him, there were great players out there available, for less, who wanted less, who were better, Wenger's ability to spot a top player is simply not there any more.
Ultimately everything comes down to Wenger, there was a time he used to get rid of an Overmars to bring in a Pires, now he gets rid of a PIres to get a Hleb.
Not really, they couldn't keep a clean sheet and score more than two goals against a pathetic Arsenal side.
United have scraped through every game so far this season. Some will say that is the sign of champions though, but surely not when it happens EVERY game.
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So what should wenger do then to start competing for trophies?
It seems all your issues with wenger is not due to the style of our play but the team selections and players bought in and out of the squad.
RVP is still a ****ing idiot. He did spit at arsenal by having a go at them, slating them for being crap etc etc. thats not how you treat your previous employer of 8 years who made u the player you are today.
That is not how u go about it at all! Look at the way fabregas handled things. he handled things ocrrectly. never slated arsenal.
same with Thierry Henry
Really? Nice.
Please answer this question. Do you honestly think you know better than Arsene Wenger?
This, and your other posts in this thread are really, horribly embarrassing. Please stop. It's beyond pathetic.
Shame on you.
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That is such a hypocritical comment to make.
I can never understand why other Arsenal fans start foaming at the mouth whenever RVP is mentioned either. Most of what he has talked about since joining United are just uncomfortable home truths for us Gooners. I'll agree his statement online just before he moved about listening to his inner child was a bit retarded, with the timing and the wording but how many players get the chance to play for United? He's now earning a ridiculous amount of money while having the best chance to win a Premier League, who would begrudge him that chance apart from bitter fans? I have far more disdain for Nasri.
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Nope. i wont stop. i am posting within forum rules. i dont like RVP and will continue to do so. you cant change my mind mate
How is it? he ****ged off arsenal and the whole club before ****ing off mate. he handled his leaving poorly. Come on tell me why no arsenal fan including me never wished for Henry or fabregas to fail? Both who at the time were our best players in the squad?
Work that out mate.
Nope, nothing wrong with wishing a shoddy player bad things. he deserves it. Arsenal stuck by him for 8 years were he spent most of his time injured.
he now has one and a half good season and he ****s off and spits and ****ges off arsenal in the process.
The real **** moron is RVP.
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Apparently yea lol
DM, seriously if managing a team is THAT SIMPLE, how come you dont manage a football team then?
You realy think its that easy mate? yea lets just put walcott upfront. lets play 442. lets start with Ashavin. Lets reduce the wage bill on Chambalin and all the other young players. lets tear up rosisky and djourough contract. lets flog Diaby etc etc.
easy ? lol
I'm not your 'mate'. I'm also not so sure that such garbage is within the forum rules, either way, I doubt anyone pays much attention to your bizarre ramblings, typically in lazy, broken English - hah, what a surprise.
I can understand people disliking players but it gets beyond a joke with your repeated RvP hate-filled garbage, people have pulled you up on this before and informed you that it makes you look like a complete idiot, yet you persist.
Your posts often make you look stupid, none more so than the ones in this thread. I'm sure there are plenty of horrid little backwater Arsenal forums where you can sit and post about how much you hate RvP (even though he's barely done anything wrong in reality) and want him to get every injury under the sun, and how you want all Arsenal players to try and break his legs - but this forum isn't the place.
Grow up
Its fans like you that make me embarrassed to be an Arsenal supporter, thankfully its only you around here that keeps spouting the crap. You really are insufferable at times....
As for RVP??, he did the right thing by moving to Utd, same with Fabregas as they both could see we wont be competing for any trophies/titles anytime soon. Whats done is done, hes gone and theres no point in wishing that he breaks his leg. I myself didnt like how it all turned out but hes gone so let it go.
Your posts are showing you up to be pathetic immature fool, like i said grow up and let it go.