Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [8 - 11th December 2012]
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Could listen to Gary Neville talk about football all day
Same, although you need to cut out those god damn
for goodness sake. 
Amazing how balanced an opinion he can give when so passionate for his team even on match day, he is pretty much the opposite of this forum.
Ah I felt a bit of organisation is needed and it doesn't seem to be coming from Pardew.
Looks a bit like us before we sacked him, run out of coherent attacking ideas and results/goals just come from someone having a wonder moment opposed to decent build up play and so on.
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GN just saying the ref had a good game in the city-utd game.
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Berba makes me wet, his control of the ball is just ridiculous. 
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Your lot should have signed him as should spurs
No disrespect to Fulham but I have no idea why a big club didn't sign Berbatov. He'd be a great improvement to pretty much every team in the prem right now. As it stands he's been an immense signing for Fulham though, Jol did really well to get him in.
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I'd have loved him instead of Giroud, or even in addition to Giroud, he would have complemented the way we play perfectly.
At a bigger club he'd probably get thrown the accusations of being lazy and not working hard enough. He's not that at all; he just makes it look so easy. I wish Ruiz were back sooner, they complement each other so well.
Would be good if he could tell Rodallega and several players a thing about taking a first touch, so so bad tonight and we should have buried several chances we had on the counter if it weren't for that.
Would be good if he could tell Rodallega and several players a thing about taking a first touch, so so bad tonight and we should have buried several chances we had on the counter if it weren't for that.
The run in to Xmas is a write off leaving us bottom 3 but then Pards should only get a couple of games to show something if nothing he has to go.
Yes we've had injury problems and some players haven't been quite as sharp but the underlying problem is Pardew. He's took a system that works with players who fit into and play well in that system and enforced a clearly failing 442.
Fine if he tried with it and realised, like everyone else, that it wasn't working and switched back. Instead he keeps going like a moron and we can keep losing. There were others factors, but it's strange that our only win in 6 was playing 433....
Yes we've had injury problems and some players haven't been quite as sharp but the underlying problem is Pardew. He's took a system that works with players who fit into and play well in that system and enforced a clearly failing 442.
Fine if he tried with it and realised, like everyone else, that it wasn't working and switched back. Instead he keeps going like a moron and we can keep losing. There were others factors, but it's strange that our only win in 6 was playing 433....
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Jesus H christ, firstly Utd have been pants, and were even mostly terrible against City, City are thoroughly beatable at the moment, though I wouldn't expect points from either, but QPR, with you at home is a write off?
Sunderland would need to win 2 games, with Utd and Southampton away and Reading at home, if you've seen Sunderland playing, you wouldn't think they'd get more than 3 points, if that. Southampton have Arsenal and City. QPR could win all three and wouldn't drop you into the bottom three.
You've had a bad run, a bad season and bad form. One of the biggest differences between Newcastle and everyone else last year was consistency of the team they could put on the pitch, virtually unchanged through the first third of the season IIRC.
Almost any key play has been injured at some stage this year, most problematically all your CB's and central midfielders.
Take basically any team, City, have Kompany miss half the games, Lescott/Nestasic injured for half the games, Yaya missing from half the games, etc. Now any club without 200mil of replacements is going to struggle.
Are Newcastle playing well, no, would any manager have a constantly changing team, with their key play maker injured, their key defensive midfielder injured while the play maker was fit, and the CB's all over the place injury wise.... no.
You've got a small squad AND have Europe thrown in to make it more difficult.
Even with the squad completely fit you would have found that a run in the Europa league would have dropped you down several places in the league, because almost every team that gets a run in the Europa league reacts badly(less so when more used to yearly European games and a bigger squad).
Without injuries only two more wins would have you 8th, 3 would have been joint 4th. How many less points would Everton or West Brom had if they had 3 injuries to key players, they'd be where Newcastle are, Arsenal and Spurs have had injuries and still up their points wise, why? Experienced european squads, used to playing in europe every year(most years for Spurs) and bigger squads capable of handling the extra games. What don't Everton and West Brom have? European football.
Smaller teams with less players can get away quite well with just putting out a joke side for European football, reserves/youth players, but when injuries mean some of those guys are on the bench or playing in the first team every weekend, those Euro appearances start to hurt.
Almost every team without a huge squad struggles when they get european football, drop down the next season, do better the season after if they've missed out on euro football, do a bit worse when they get Euro footie back, etc, etc. Thats football, it happens to everyone outside of the bigger teams with bigger squads and more money. You can get 5 extra players and maybe do better when you get euro football, but if you still get effected and miss out the year after, suddenly you're in trouble.
Ultimately Newcastles future is, yoyo-ing between euro and non euro seasons, getting a bit better in euro football each time, with an extra player in the squad every year, maybe two, until you finally established as a year on year top 6-7 team at which point you then you add a couple more players but rather than squad players, you start buying better quality players.
Everton/Villa/West Ham/Bolton/Blackburn/Newcastle this happens to MOST teams who aren't spending 90mil + on wages, no euro, have a good run in the league, euro footie or even a couple good runs in both domestic cups, league form tanks.
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We did...but after being mis managed out by fergie he never had a chance to shine.
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Last season for Newcastle was probably definitely a fluke, most our players were blinding for most the season... It was never going to run into a second season with added Euro games.
Being in the Europa league shouldn't be an excuse, but it definitely has an impact on teams that just make it to the competition.
Their league form suffers.
Being realistic I never thought we could repeat our league performance last year, but being totally honest I never thought we would be doing this badly.
It looks like we are going to be scrapping around the bottom till after December, unless we have some 200% performances.
Hopefully we can add 2 good players in January because our squad is thin.
I'm definitely not jumping on any "sack the manager" wagon, we don't need to go back to those days. We won't be relegated but finishing top 5 is probably out the window. I reckon 8-10th is where we will end up
Being in the Europa league shouldn't be an excuse, but it definitely has an impact on teams that just make it to the competition.
Their league form suffers.
Being realistic I never thought we could repeat our league performance last year, but being totally honest I never thought we would be doing this badly.
It looks like we are going to be scrapping around the bottom till after December, unless we have some 200% performances.
Hopefully we can add 2 good players in January because our squad is thin.
I'm definitely not jumping on any "sack the manager" wagon, we don't need to go back to those days. We won't be relegated but finishing top 5 is probably out the window. I reckon 8-10th is where we will end up
I am with you on this, but only on past experience.
Pards can made a decent plan A with his first 11, everyone else is just there, so when injuries rack up or plan A doesn't work it all just falls apart like a wet paper house.
Sounds cruel but I laughed so hard when Pards tried to chase the game away at Southampton by bringing on Sammy Ameobi, I just couldn't see how abandoning any width at all and playing 3 strikers up the middle with Gutierez out of position behind them was going to do anything other than fail.
In my view Pards is an idiot who can't plan, he's been given complete free reign at Newcastle and its backfired because he thinks everyone is like they are on FM and can just play out of their injuries instantly. When he was with us our chairman had to go and sort out the squad depth of random loan wingers because Pards seemed incapable of bothering to look for anyone once he had his first 11.
At very least most of the christmas runs of most the teams at the bottom (and West Ham) are really difficult. I think we have the simplest (week off followed by Sunderland), so barring Redknapp suddenly having a christmas miracle and becoming a good manager or Reading suddenly not looking like a champ team there isn't as much to worry about just yet.
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Just read that Barry has been charged with abusing the ref. Incredible when you consider you can watch any game and see a lot of abuse towards refs from players every week. Usually the same culprits every week.
I have never seen a player charged over it?
I have never seen a player charged over it?
Last season was a huge fluke for Newcastle, but with 22 games left to play they are only 9 points off 4th. No reason to start panicking yet!
Liverpool as a club got charged with failing to control their players last season for 3 or 4 of them talking to the ref, similar sort of thing that Barry has got charged with.
Liverpool as a club got charged with failing to control their players last season for 3 or 4 of them talking to the ref, similar sort of thing that Barry has got charged with.
Did it happen on the pitch or in the tunnel?
"as he left the pitch" seems to be the consensus
Are there any decent sites now that list what games are on which channels etc ?
http://www.livesportontv.com/ has gone a bit weird
http://www.livesportontv.com/ has gone a bit weird