Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [9th - 15th December 2016]

Not as dramatic as some of our performances but that was really impressive from us tonight. We looked in complete control from start to to finish - the only thing that was worrying me was the ref giving Boro a free-kick everytime 1 of our players stood within 15 meters of a Boro player and our reluctance to shoot, even if we were stood on the goalline.

*whispers* Mignolet looked decent too.

Shamikebab said:
Yeah Rojo should have been off, twice in recent weeks.
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He's the new Fellaini. 2 red cards and should have conceded a pen vs Spurs and got away with them all.
 
el_dazza said:
I got all 8 games right tonght in the prediction league, not often that happens :o

Glad I picked Chelsea pre season too.
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Unfortunately as a punishment for listing round 15's predictions in the wrong order and causing me no end of grief you're going to score 0 points this week :p

edit: You've done it to round 16 too!
 
frankel1414 said:
What is that cryptic comment supposed to mean?
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1) The free kick from which you scored should never have been awarded in the 1st place as the tackle was good, and if Rojo had correctly been sent off you wouldnt have got the free kick anyway

2) The attacker should get the benefit (in the case of Mata) and I very much doubt thats why it was given as offside

3) You are completely forgetting about the penalty which means Utd should have won that game 2-0 without your free kick, at the very least

I think you only had two shots on goal through the whole match, one was a very good save from De Gea and the goal itself - DDG basically had his feet up the rest of the match......completely the opposite of Hennessey

Utd won fairly despite the shocking decisions by the officials against both sides (Palace probably benefited more , even if marginally)



edit - and yes Trusty, there have been plenty of times when 10 men have overcome 11 , even just EPL games so no its not stupid.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2010/feb/11/the-question-teams-better-10-men

"In the Premier League between 1992 and 2000, for instance, a side that was drawing when they had a man sent off went on to win the game 11.8% of the time if the red card happened in the first hour"

I would say thats a pretty significant % (appreciate of course its old data )
 
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So you're saying that Utd had just a 11.8% chance of winning had Rojo correctly been sent off? I'd say that made a massive change to the outcome of the game then and West Ham were incredibly unlucky.
 
BaZ87 said:
So you're saying that Utd had just a 11.8% chance of winning had Rojo correctly been sent off? I'd say that made a massive change to the outcome of the game then and West Ham were incredibly unlucky.
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looks like I have to even explain what is pretty basic information


That data is over an 8 year period over every match where the circumstance arise - not JUST where one team was being clearly over-riden in the middle of the park and dominating the match from the outset.

Playing away from home, against a vastly inferior side who would (normally) have come out more had Utd lost a player - Utd would have more time and space to attack

Given Utd won, that percentage only increases the winning margine

Trusty seemed to think it would never happen - it obviously does and quite often given the 3200 games played in that time frame
 
FrankJH said:
Trusty seemed to think it would never happen - it obviously does and quite often given the 3200 games played in that time frame
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It's not that it wouldn't happen, it's just you were arguing with Shami that UTD would still have won those games, where as your stats have just proven that 11 v 10 is a heavily favoured contest.
 
Shamikebab said:
Frank is the only person that can find statistics to lose his argument :D
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:D
FrankJH said:
looks like I have to even explain what is pretty basic information


That data is over an 8 year period over every match where the circumstance arise - not JUST where one team was being clearly over-riden in the middle of the park and dominating the match from the outset.

Playing away from home, against a vastly inferior side who would (normally) have come out more had Utd lost a player - Utd would have more time and space to attack

Given Utd won, that percentage only increases the winning margine

Trusty seemed to think it would never happen - it obviously does and quite often given the 3200 games played in that time frame
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You're going to have to explain that again because I've read it 4 times now and still have no idea what you meant.

You threw out a general stat and unless you're going to break it down and tell us how many times the home side won, how many times the away side won, the average difference in league position and so on then all we can read into what you said is that 11.8% of the time the team with 10 men win. It's therefore very reasonable to say that Palace were extremely unlucky.

Just a point on your comment about Utd having more space to attack. While I'm sure Palace would have attacked more had Utd gone down to 10 men, they would have been allowed to by the fact that Utd would have taken a forward off to bring a defender on and would have less players in attacking positions to take advantage of any extra space. You're kidding yourself if you're going to try to claim Utd had more chance of scoring had they gone down to 10 men.
 
This is the angle that BT Sport showed after the match.

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Has anyone got a video, I wasn't paying a huge amount of attention to the game but was the offside definitely against Mata and not, is that Rojo heading it on? From what I recall there were several Utd players running out, maybe Rojo(is he no.5?) was offside before that.

Either way, the first goal was offside wasn't it and potentially a handball, Rojo should have been off, no question and he then wouldn't have been able to head that ball on anyway. Reality is with some better ref decisions in the game, Palace would have had a couple of yellow cards and Utd would have been down to 10 men for well over half the game. The result could have ended up anything after the sending off but the odds of a better result for Palace and a worse result for Utd would have increased hugely with the sending off.
 
Rojo should have been sent off, Zlatan the impaler should have got a yellow for his hand of God and a straight red for elbowing someone in the face in front of the referee. ManYoo should have gotten a penalty when a Palace player punched the ball out of the box and at least one of the Man Utd goals are offside. An absolute joke of a football match and the referee should be disciplined.
 
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