Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [9th - 15th December 2016]

Guardiola's entire plan is pretty much sacrifice defence for more bodies in midfield and total domination offence. The problem is much as I like Sterling, think KDB is magic and rate Ihaenacho, two of them are relatively inexperienced one of them is hugely inexperienced and not used to leading the line. When Guardiola had Iniesta/Xavi and the rest in that great Barca side these were 25-28yr old midfielders who had huge huge experience and were several years ahead of where Sterling/KDB are in terms of games played.

The Barca defence was often caught out but you had the brilliance of Puyol and Valdes saving them time after time but mostly the midfield/offence preventing 95% of attacks from ever starting.

Here his system is sacrificing the defence, with MUCH worse defenders and no where near as good or settled/ready an offence. So they aren't scoring as much as Barca by a mile, they don't have Messi destroying every team and they don't have the ability to prevent 95% of attacks.

Guardiola is playing the only way he's so far demonstrated he can, but his system really only works with a somewhat settled, excellent and experienced team like he had with Barca and Bayern.

I think people do forget the home grown quota, it's part of the reason Stones cost so much and one of the reasons I think they took the risk, he did show some really brilliant defending in that first 6 months with Everton but frankly since he missed several months injured he's never looked a patch on his first run of form.

Guardiola with a squad of this quality has to adapt his tactics, he probably needs to dump the three at the back and not focus purely on offence. He needs a system that will work without most of the best players in the world.
 
I was sceptical about the £35m transfer fee that we paid for Mustafi. Bloody bargain basement compared to the £50m they paid for Stones.
 
When did Martinez take over at City? Its still his fault Stones is tripe right?

It is entirely his fault, it will take some great coaching to turn that boy around now. Martinez let him do whatever the **** he wanted. He's been utterly ruined. He will be at Sunderland in under 24 months.

Wheels have totally fallen of for Koeman. Promising new boss start, he's going to need more time than he will get to clean up Martinez's drivel.
 
It is entirely his fault, it will take some great coaching to turn that boy around now. Martinez let him do whatever the **** he wanted. He's been utterly ruined. He will be at Sunderland in under 24 months.

Wheels have totally fallen of for Koeman. Promising new boss start, he's going to need more time than he will get to clean up Martinez's drivel.

So, he's doing worse than Martinez, despite spending more than Martinez did in any single window and brought in several important players, one who has been brilliant. Also got rid of the supposedly ruined Stones.

We all know you hate Martinez, but now City being completely rubbish in defence is entirely Stones and therefore Martinez's fault. Stones makes for headlines and draws the attention, but everyone was absolutely woeful in that City defence, EVERYONE.
 
It is entirely his fault, it will take some great coaching to turn that boy around now. Martinez let him do whatever the **** he wanted. He's been utterly ruined. He will be at Sunderland in under 24 months.

Wheels have totally fallen of for Koeman. Promising new boss start, he's going to need more time than he will get to clean up Martinez's drivel.

Hahahahahaha serious?
 
Guardiola's entire plan is pretty much sacrifice defence for more bodies in midfield and total domination offence. The problem is much as I like Sterling, think KDB is magic and rate Ihaenacho, two of them are relatively inexperienced one of them is hugely inexperienced and not used to leading the line. When Guardiola had Iniesta/Xavi and the rest in that great Barca side these were 25-28yr old midfielders who had huge huge experience and were several years ahead of where Sterling/KDB are in terms of games played.

The Barca defence was often caught out but you had the brilliance of Puyol and Valdes saving them time after time but mostly the midfield/offence preventing 95% of attacks from ever starting.

Here his system is sacrificing the defence, with MUCH worse defenders and no where near as good or settled/ready an offence. So they aren't scoring as much as Barca by a mile, they don't have Messi destroying every team and they don't have the ability to prevent 95% of attacks.

Guardiola is playing the only way he's so far demonstrated he can, but his system really only works with a somewhat settled, excellent and experienced team like he had with Barca and Bayern.

I think people do forget the home grown quota, it's part of the reason Stones cost so much and one of the reasons I think they took the risk, he did show some really brilliant defending in that first 6 months with Everton but frankly since he missed several months injured he's never looked a patch on his first run of form.

Guardiola with a squad of this quality has to adapt his tactics, he probably needs to dump the three at the back and not focus purely on offence. He needs a system that will work without most of the best players in the world.

System lol no he isn't a great manager. Barca he had an amazing team same at bayern, city he doesn't and he doesn't know what to do this is first time he has to actual do something like most other managers
 
System lol no he isn't a great manager. Barca he had an amazing team same at bayern, city he doesn't and he doesn't know what to do this is first time he has to actual do something like most other managers

4 points off the top, I wouldnt say hes doing bad at all, they seem a little slow out of the gate and have given up a few easy draws. 100% agree though, you cant call him a great when he has had teams 2 teams which are Barca and Bayern and nobody else... But it would be very hard not to call Man City a great squad too though and a lot of their squad would easily make it into the rest of the leagues starting 11. The one thing City dont have though is that fearsome reputation, a lot of the times Barca and Bayern could beat a team before they even stepped on the pitch and thats gonna take time if he can pull that off at City, but to have a reputation like that probably isnt doable in the EPL, its way too competitive.
 
4 points off the top, I wouldnt say hes doing bad at all, they seem a little slow out of the gate and have given up a few easy draws. 100% agree though, you cant call him a great when he has had teams 2 teams which are Barca and Bayern and nobody else... But it would be very hard not to call Man City a great squad too though and a lot of their squad would easily make it into the rest of the leagues starting 11. The one thing City dont have though is that fearsome reputation, a lot of the times Barca and Bayern could beat a team before they even stepped on the pitch and thats gonna take time if he can pull that off at City, but to have a reputation like that probably isnt doable in the EPL, its way too competitive.

I know city aren't in a bad position over all but I'd be surprised if he builds them up to what fans think he can. It's not something he has had to do barca and Bayern teams were set and all ready to go for everything.
 
Guardiola definitely has his job cut out for him in the EPL, still think he's a great manager but boy does he have some major work to do to get City to the top. Defensively they are a complete mess.

Personally I don't think Guardiola will be as good as he was at Barca or Bayern because of the teams he inherited especially Barca.

Can't see him getting sacked either, he will probably walk before he's sacked imo.

But what a lolworthy performance against Leicester though, completely lolworthy. Bravo is a godawful goalkeeper, don't know how he wasn't so highly rated at Barca.
 
Guardiola definitely has his job cut out for him in the EPL, still think he's a great manager but boy does he have some major work to do to get City to the top. Defensively they are a complete mess.

Personally I don't think Guardiola will be as good as he was at Barca or Bayern because of the teams he inherited especially Barca.

Can't see him getting sacked either, he will probably walk before he's sacked imo.

But what a lolworthy performance against Leicester though, completely lolworthy. Bravo is a godawful goalkeeper, don't know how he wasn't so highly rated at Barca.

Just out of interest why do you think he is great? Genuine one as I seem to be in a camp of few who thinks he isn't
 
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