Greta Thunberg

Did wonder if Boris was trying to appeal to those younger than Greta generation with his crass speech, sesame street reference and the green ball/bag earth analogy;
were there any good cartoons - given Bidens comment that boris was a trump mini-me, seemed that trump/boris as ernie/bert would be appropriate.

Olivia stratton on r4@1 yesterday, about climate conference, trying some intellectual superiority vibe, but came over as Jennifer Arcan sibling.
 
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"(Reuters) - Zimbabwe has adopted a more ambitious target for emissions reduction ahead of a United Nations climate conference in November, the country's new climate change plan showed.

The southern African country is now committed to a 40% drop in greenhouse gas emissions by 2030 across all sectors of the economy, compared to a "business as usual" scenario in which emission reduction policies are not implemented.

Zimbabwe had previously committed to a 33% emissions reduction in its first Nationally Determined Contribution (NDC) in 2017. NDCs are non-binding plans for climate action submitted by countries since the Paris Agreement of 2016.

The new target is for Zimbabwe's total greenhouse gas emissions to be curbed to 44.7 million tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent (Mt CO2e) by 2030. If no action is taken emissions are projected to hit 75.4 Mt CO2e by then.

Emissions in 2017 were 35.84 Mt CO2e, according to the NDC's most recent national-level estimate.

The biggest source of Zimbabwe's greenhouse gas emissions is the agriculture and forestry sector, with the energy sector ranking second. Thermal power generation is the main driver of energy sector emissions.

Zimbabwe's mitigation measures include creating 500,000 more hectares of forest land by 2025, adding 2,098 megawatts of capacity through microgrids by 2028, and expanding solar power capacity.

Zimbabwe has separately committed to increasing electricity and coal supply to the iron and steel sectors, though, which will add to emissions.

The NDC did not mention plans to curb coal mining or coal-fired power.

In a plea to the international community, Zimbabwe said compliance with its new targets is "fully conditional on affordable international financial support, investment, technology development and transfer and capacity development".The 26th United Nations Climate Change (COP26) conference is scheduled to take place in Glasgow, Scotland, from October 31 to November 12."

Zimbabwe bolsters emissions targets ahead of climate summit (msn.com)
 
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CO2 is not a pollutant, it's vital for all life on Earth. A far bigger problem is deforestation. Ask any gardener what effect it has on plants if you put higher concentrations of CO2 in a greenhouse.
 
mmj_uk said:
CO2 is not a pollutant, it's vital for all life on Earth. A far bigger problem is deforestation. Ask any gardener what effect it has on plants if you put higher concentrations of CO2 in a greenhouse.
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and then ask that same farmer what happens if you put too much CO2 in the greenhouse.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
and then ask that same farmer what happens if you put too much CO2 in the greenhouse.
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Atmospheric CO2 levels were 5 times higher during the Jurassic period. What wiped out dinosaurs again?

Ask yourself why climate alarmists have gone from a new ice age, to global warming, to climate change, to climate emergency over the last few decades, treaties like the Paris accords are just globalist power grabs.
 
If climate alarmists like Greta Thunberg were serious about tackling CO2 emissions they'd be demanding immediate action against China who currently output more than the US and EU combined and are still growing, instead she spends all of her time shaming what's left of western economies and getting them to agree to further decimate their economies while China happily ignores.

If we really were in the world ending climate emergency they alarm about then war with China would be a far more effective measure than anything else that's been suggested.
 
mmj_uk said:
If we really were in the world ending climate emergency they alarm about then war with China would be a far more effective measure than anything else that's been suggested.
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A war with China would be probably be "world-ending" as well.

In any case, changing to greener economies does not have to mean destroying the West - far from it. We can be productive/wealthy and green, it just requires some thought and willingness to stop doing things that are cheap and easy but also dirty.
 
War with China is not necessary.
Instead, install nuclear power plants and renewables in the Western countries, and move all the industry away from China.
Impose heavy sanctions on them, and let them beg for a green future.
 
What happens if you take a greenhouse with perfectly safe CO2 levels and then gradually remove the plant life until there is nothing left? it doesn't matter how much the western nations cripple themselves economically when you have China kicking out insane amounts of CO2 with their coal power plants, bad "green" policy preventing the controlled burning of forests which prevents the spread of wildfires and massive deforestation in the Amazon.

If CO2 was really an immediate problem there are so many more effective ways to solve it than to get advanced western nations to agree to treaties that cripple their economies and their ability to hold China to task. When Trump tried to bring manufacturing back from China to the USA where everything can be done so much more cleaner CNN and all of the other climate change alarmists attacked him for it, obviously most corporations care more about holding on to child slavery and cheap electricity at their manufacturing plants than CO2 emissions.

Lets start a campaign to boycott China economically until they start taking their ridiculous CO2 emissions seriously, any takers? Greta? thought not.
 
What we trying to save us or the planet.

In planetary terms this isn't even a glitch taken into account many mass extinction events, thousands of animals, insects plants etc have disappeared we just weren't around to witness it.

We all know where its heading but with a short lifetime people don't really care, we to accustomed with what we have and will not give anything up which makes us feel uncomfortable.

We have as (normal people) no power to stop what each individual as contributed to, its a machine that's out of control.

Way before the impact of global warming is felt there will be War as counties fight for what little resources remain.

The planet is over populated full stop!

These are my thoughts and no I have no answers, it is what it is.
 
mmj_uk said:
What happens if you take a greenhouse with perfectly safe CO2 levels and then gradually remove the plant life until there is nothing left? it doesn't matter how much the western nations cripple themselves economically when you have China kicking out insane amounts of CO2 with their coal power plants, bad "green" policy preventing the controlled burning of forests which prevents the spread of wildfires and massive deforestation in the Amazon.

If CO2 was really an immediate problem there are so many more effective ways to solve it than to get advanced western nations to agree to treaties that cripple their economies and their ability to hold China to task. When Trump tried to bring manufacturing back from China to the USA where everything can be done so much more cleaner CNN and all of the other climate change alarmists attacked him for it, obviously most corporations care more about holding on to child slavery and cheap electricity at their manufacturing plants than CO2 emissions.

Lets start a campaign to boycott China economically until they start taking their ridiculous CO2 emissions seriously, any takers? Greta? thought not.
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lol ok so in summary.
China is so big don't even bother to 'go green' coz whatsthepoint
Greta sucks coz she hasn't single-handedly taken on China

I think some kind of equilibrium will made made with or without humans.

zuludawn said:
The planet is over populated full stop!
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Agreed. We should be <1 billion at our present resource consumption level. No one is in charge on a global level yet, but of course politicians will say they they have a plan, when behind the scenes it's just 'The Thick Of It' :)

The recent environmental issues being realised are so massive in scope, extending way beyond any single party that is currently in power for 4 years at a time. It's really the first big challenge of global cooperation. Lets see how that goes :)
 
Doesn't help that third worlders who can't even feed themselves are squeezing out babies non-stop. A while back the BBC had a report from somewhere in sub-Saharan Africa where a woman was living under a bivouac and had 25 children with another on the way Another report had a woman in Yemen with 9 kids and had already lost 4. We need to cut all aid and simply let nature take it's course.
 
zuludawn said:
What we trying to save us or the planet.

In planetary terms this isn't even a glitch taken into account many mass extinction events, thousands of animals, insects plants etc have disappeared we just weren't around to witness it.

We all know where its heading but with a short lifetime people don't really care, we to accustomed with what we have and will not give anything up which makes us feel uncomfortable.

We have as (normal people) no power to stop what each individual as contributed to, its a machine that's out of control.

Way before the impact of global warming is felt there will be War as counties fight for what little resources remain.

The planet is over populated full stop!

These are my thoughts and no I have no answers, it is what it is.
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That war will leave the US(and Saudi Arabia), China, Russia & possibly the UK as it'll be a war of technology.
 
Malevolence said:
Doesn't help that third worlders who can't even feed themselves are squeezing out babies non-stop. A while back the BBC had a report from somewhere in sub-Saharan Africa where a woman was living under a bivouac and had 25 children with another on the way Another report had a woman in Yemen with 9 kids and had already lost 4. We need to cut all aid and simply let nature take it's course.
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Had this explained to me before and in hindsight makes sense.

In some cultures its expected your offspring will look after you in later life, so the more kids typically the better you stand when you are older. So losing children may not be grieved upon as much as other cultures, hence more kids no matter the difficulties.

Might be a load of crap but it certainly explains lots of things.
 
GIBURROWS said:
That war will leave the US(and Saudi Arabia), China, Russia & possibly the UK as it'll be a war of technology.
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I think it will exoculate with the worlds demand for lithium and the compounds to make batteries, by my understanding there ain't that much of it and most comes from Africa. A Continent that the Chinese have heavy invested in.
 
zuludawn said:
I think it will exoculate with the worlds demand for lithium and the compounds to make batteries, by my understanding there ain't that much of it and most comes from Africa. A Continent that the Chinese have heavy invested in.
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Afghanistan is believed to have the world's largest untapped deposits of lithium, and the Chinese are already in there. Read somewhere that they were handed 30 year mining contracts.
 
IF man made global warming is real, or contributing to it, then we are screwed anyway because as everyone has said, the top 3 are not going to do anything about it in any realistic way.

Maybe when China owns the world they will be forced to do something but that's probably too late in 2060 (my new prediction for ww3 :P)
 
Efour said:
IF man made global warming is real, or contributing to it, then we are screwed anyway because as everyone has said, the top 3 are not going to do anything about it in any realistic way.

Maybe when China owns the world they will be forced to do something but that's probably too late in 2060 (my new prediction for ww3 :p)
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Completely incorrect. The rest of the world can make a significant difference.
 
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