GTX 780 Lightning VS. R9 290X Lightning @ 1080p

ICDP · 25 May 2014 at 14:43

Rusty0611 said:
Hierarchy not price matters

Only in your opinion. Thankfully pretty much every single professional review site compares price vs price.

R9 290 custom AIB cards from ~£300 - £350

R9 290X from ~£350 - £500
GTX780 from ~£340 - £480
GTX 780Ti from ~£460 - £620

So a LOT of overlap there with GTX780, R9 290X and 780T. The R9 290 is actually cheaper than all of them. The good review sites always try to compare price vs price.

If we were to follow your logic it would be 780Ti vs R9 295X.

Tonester0011 · 25 May 2014 at 14:47

ICDP said:
If we were to follow your logic it would be 780Ti vs R9 295X.

What, a single GPU vs dual GPU?
Don't think that was Rusty's logic somehow, more that this review is comparing a 780 vs a 290X, where it should be against either a 780ti or a 290.

Shock horror the 290X wins, everything, the card it's competing against is 1 tier lower.

win8.1 · 25 May 2014 at 15:11

I think the 780ti is worth the £150+ vs 290 custom AIB cards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU0yadKm328

LtMatt · 25 May 2014 at 15:28

win8.1 said:
I think the 780ti is worth the £150+ vs 290 custom AIB cards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU0yadKm328

Lol i hope that's sarcasm judging by how close the 290X and 780TI are in that video..

290 cards have had a nice performance boost in Crysis 3 since that video as well.

Final8y · 25 May 2014 at 15:35

LtMatt said:
Lol i hope that's sarcasm judging by how close the 290X and 780TI are in that video.. 290 cards have had a nice performance boost in Crysis 3 since that video as well.

They are both Ref cards.

LtMatt · 25 May 2014 at 15:35

Final8y said:
They are both Ref cards.

Interesting, 290X may have been throttling then.

iB CoMpL3XiTy · 25 May 2014 at 15:39

win8.1 said:
I think the 780ti is worth the £150+ vs 290 custom AIB cards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU0yadKm328

Really?

All three cards in that video seem to be within 5-10% of each other, I'd rather put the £150 towards a second card or a nice monitor.

Each to their own I guess.

Rusty0611 · 25 May 2014 at 15:43

ICDP said:
Only in your opinion. Thankfully pretty much every single professional review site compares price vs price.

R9 290 custom AIB cards from ~£300 - £350

R9 290X from ~£350 - £500
GTX780 from ~£340 - £480
GTX 780Ti from ~£460 - £620

So a LOT of overlap there with GTX780, R9 290X and 780T. The R9 290 is actually cheaper than all of them. The good review sites always try to compare price vs price.

If we were to follow your logic it would be 780Ti vs R9 295X.

If you're comparing pure performance then price doesn't matter. Sure it does when buying but this review isn't really along those lines.

I don't think it's particularly surprising that a 290X beats a 780 as it is one notch above it hierarchically. That was my point. Obviously factoring price into the equation changes the angle but comparing a card to a card above it doesn't really show anything all that surprising. I would have been more interested to see 780 vs 290 or 290X vs 780Ti.

humbug · 25 May 2014 at 15:52

MSI GeForce GTX 780 Lightning 3072MB £430

MSI Radeon R9 290X Lightning Edition 4096MB £480

Its not entirely fair, the 290X Lightning is £50 more expensive.

Final8y · 25 May 2014 at 15:55

LtMatt said:
Interesting, 290X may have been throttling then.

Possible

But look at the stock R290 v Stock 780 columns.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-review

ICDP · 25 May 2014 at 16:00

Tonester0011 said:
What, a single GPU vs dual GPU?
Don't think that was Rusty's logic somehow, more that this review is comparing a 780 vs a 290X, where it should be against either a 780ti or a 290.

Shock horror the 290X wins, everything, the card it's competing against is 1 tier lower.

I see you are also missing the point. This is not a professional review, it is two individuals who took the time to compare their own personal GPUs. It doesn't matter what tier they are from, just accept it for what it is. Two guys took the time and effort to present their work. I can appreciate it for what it is and even commented that at the top tier only a few % is the difference due to silicone lottery.

Rusty's first post in this thread was to deride the work Rtsurfer and Face2Face did because it wasn't top vs top tier. Completely missing the point they guys could only test what they had available. He simply could not get around the idea that Nvidia lost at something, even if it is trivial. His first comment is purely derisory in an effort to belittle the results.

humbug · 25 May 2014 at 16:02

Final8y said:
Possible

But look at the stock R290 v Stock 780 columns.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-review

Interesting, a stock Ref- 290 (947/1250) is baisically as fast as a GTX Titan, considering the price of that GPU when it came out not long ago, it puts a big

on my face.

Final8y · 25 May 2014 at 16:05

humbug said:
Interesting, a stock Ref- 290 (947/1250) is baisically as fast as a GTX Titan, considering the price of that GPU when it came out not long ago, it puts a big on my face.

Just had another look and they are close.

humbug · 25 May 2014 at 16:05

Final8y said:
Just had another look and they are close.

Yup, close enough, like a fag paper between them

Rusty0611 · 25 May 2014 at 16:06

ICDP said:
Rusty's first post in this thread was to deride the work Rtsurfer and Face2Face did because it wasn't top vs top tier. Completely missing the point they guys could only test what they had available. He simply could not get around the idea that Nvidia lost at something, even if it is trivial. His first comment is purely derisory in an effort to belittle the results.

lol brilliant. I couldn't give a monkeys if nVidia lost at something. Don't confuse me with Gregster

.

I didn't deride the results either. Reading and comprehension failure? I said (implied in my tongue in cheek comment) that it wasn't a like for like comparison hierarchically so therefore isn't really a surprising result.

Wind ya neck in.

ICDP · 25 May 2014 at 16:14

Rusty0611 said:
lol brilliant. I couldn't give a monkeys if nVidia lost at something. Don't confuse me with Gregster .

I didn't deride the results either. Reading and comprehension failure? I said (implied in my tongue in cheek comment) that it wasn't a like for like comparison hierarchically so therefore isn't really a surprising result.

Wind ya neck in.

Your first post below.

Rusty0611 said:
Can we compare a 780Ti to a 290?

There is no reading comprehension failure here, considering it was a simple sentence it is hard to fail at comprehending the intent. You were straight in with the derisory troll post with the stick out tongue smiley at the end. Even if it is tongue in cheek you are still insulting the work these guys spent time doing.

If that isn't derisory I don't know what is.

Tonester0011 · 25 May 2014 at 16:30

Words = Lost.
Let's flip this on it's head...let's say i compared my 290 against someones 780ti, there would be outcry, how dare anyone compare two cards that are not even in the same tier!! You'd ask for the comparison to be made with a 290X.

I couldn't give two hoots if this was or wasn't a professional review, the results are not surprising, the cards compared are from two different tiers, price put aside.

Rusty0611 · 25 May 2014 at 16:31

ICDP said:
There is no reading comprehension failure here, considering it was a simple sentence it is hard to fail at comprehending the intent. You were straight in with the derisory troll post with the stick out tongue smiley at the end. Even if it is tongue in cheek you are still insulting the work these guys spent time doing.

If that isn't derisory I don't know what is.

I think you're a bit angry about something. How that comment can be construed as being insulting I will never know. The comment is what it is: a simple remark to the mismatch in the hierarchical position of the cards. What you (mis)interpret it as is your issue. You say it's a simple sentence which is hard to fail at comprehending and then go and do exactly that. Amazing mate

.

Either way I haven't got the will to argue about the intention of my post. Like it or lump it.

humbug said:
Interesting, a stock Ref- 290 (947/1250) is baisically as fast as a GTX Titan, considering the price of that GPU when it came out not long ago, it puts a big on my face.

Yeah. The only criticism (and it's an old one so I apologise in advance) is the ruddy cooler they shipped them with

.

The charts could have looked a lot better for AMD with a better cooling solution. Obviously custom coolers have completely changed that but unfortunately doesn't change a lot of the day 1 reviews which are there when you google for a 290/X review.

ICDP · 25 May 2014 at 16:37

Tonester0011 said:
Words = Lost.
Let's flip this on it's head...let's say i compared my 290 against someones 780ti, there would be outcry, how dare anyone compare two cards that are not even in the same tier!! You'd ask for the comparison to be made with a 290X.

I couldn't give two hoots if this was or wasn't a professional review, the results are not surprising, the cards compared are from two different tiers, price put aside.

Again the point is lost. Two wrongs don't make a right here. Rusty came straight into the thread with a derisory post. The fact if the roles were reversed some AMD fanboy would get upset does not make it OK.

Why is this GPU forum all about tit for tat?

LtMatt · 25 May 2014 at 16:40

I'd much rather it was tit for tit. #JustSayin