GTX 960 pictured !!!

JustCallMeVlad · 9 Jan 2015 at 17:25

Darujhistan said:
200 Dollars?

BS.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-251-MS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1842

280 = Rebranded 7950

When was the 7950 released again? 2011? 960 is a brand new card. No rebrand crap

Darujhistan · 9 Jan 2015 at 17:34

JustCallMeVlad said:
280 = Rebranded 7950

When was the 7950 released again? 2011? 960 is a brand new card. No rebrand crap

So what?

What difference does it make if it's rebranded? it's still less than the expected price of a 960 and had 3GB of VRAM...

Bit of a Luddite are you? left to you we'd still be paying £200 for 1GB because that used to be standard...

Why are you so upset by people demanding more for their money from Nv or AMD?

FoxEye · 9 Jan 2015 at 17:39

Darujhistan said:
So what?

What difference does it make if it's rebranded? it's still less than the expected price of a 960 and had 3GB of VRAM...

Bit of a Luddite are you? left to you we'd still be paying £200 for 1GB because that used to be standard...

Why are you so upset by people demanding more for their money from Nv or AMD?

You get that a lot on here.

"I hope they don't make the new generation too good; I don't want my existing card (which I possibly just bought) to be obsolete too soon."

Yet they don't realise that this is an anti-progressive sentiment. People here are very attached to the cards they own, and their favourite brand. It's what makes this sub-forum so downright awful

But just like a horrible accident you can't take your eyes off it...

Tonester0011 · 9 Jan 2015 at 17:41

Because it's a midrange card limited to 2 way SLI.
..it's similar in performance to a 770.

99/100 times you will run out of grunt before ram. How can you not see that, you can't set an arbitrary limit to what's acceptable. Cost is another thing, nothing is free so loading up a card that can't use it is nonsensical at best irrespective of what morons think.

Tonester0011 · 9 Jan 2015 at 17:45

FoxEye said:
Yet they don't realise that this is an anti-progressive sentiment. People here are very attached to the cards they own, and their favourite brand. It's what makes this sub-forum so downright awful
.

The high end cards raise the bar, mid range aim to be no better than previous high end. As such the 960 will compete against the 280/770.

Cost cutting is higher on the list.

Darujhistan · 9 Jan 2015 at 17:58

FoxEye said:
You get that a lot on here.

"I hope they don't make the new generation too good; I don't want my existing card (which I possibly just bought) to be obsolete too soon."

Yet they don't realise that this is an anti-progressive sentiment. People here are very attached to the cards they own, and their favourite brand. It's what makes this sub-forum so downright awful

But just like a horrible accident you can't take your eyes off it...

Yeah, the butt-hurt factor about GPU's is off the scale. It is a car crash sub-forum you're right there, the GPU warriors turned the other 960 thread into a all out war about power consumption of 290s vs 980s in quadfire/quadSLI... :rolleyes:

I hadn't thought about people not wanting their cards to be superceded quickly though, that would explain the Luddite element. The 'defend the brand until my dying breath' factor goes without saying.

FoxEye · 9 Jan 2015 at 18:00

Tonester0011 said:
The high end cards raise the bar, mid range aim to be no better than previous high end. As such the 960 will compete against the 280/770.

Cost cutting is higher on the list.

The 280 hasn't been high-end for several years; back then it was called a 7950

Now no-one expects the 960 to compete with a 780, because that kind of generosity from either side hasn't existed for several generations.

But basically we're expecting the 960 to keep the bar where it is - not improve it in the mid-range. I'll be surprised if the bar is raised at all.

What I personally expect is for the price/perf in the mid-range nV to be almost the same this gen as last gen (in absolute terms, not relative terms).

Tonester0011 · 9 Jan 2015 at 18:01

Bless, nobody is replacing their 980s with 960.
Your problem is you don't want high end so you're screaming for a mid range to perform, I hope it doesn't to screw you.

Will laugh LOL.

Edit @ dur, not fox.

Darujhistan · 9 Jan 2015 at 18:03

Tonester0011 said:
Yawn!
You're so boring.

Buy the 280 then if ram is important to you, btw...could have bought the card back in 2012 LOL.
Cards are bought in dollars, quoting a sterling price is laughable.

Is that the best you can come up with? If i'm 'so boring' why do you keep chasing me round the sub-forum?

I could buy the 280x, I could also wait and see whether Nv can beat it with 3 GB of VRAM....

Why are you so upset about people wanting better cards with more VRAM?

What res do you play at? are you happy with your set-up?

I quoted a card on this site which is priced in pounds, cards on this site are bought in pounds take a look...

FoxEye · 9 Jan 2015 at 18:03

Tonester0011 said:
Bless, nobody is replacing their 980s with 960.
Your problem is you don't want high end so you're screaming for a mid range to perform, I hope it doesn't to screw you.

Will laugh LOL.

edit: nm then

Darujhistan · 9 Jan 2015 at 18:07

Tonester0011 said:
Because it's a midrange card limited to 2 way SLI.
..it's similar in performance to a 770.

99/100 times you will run out of grunt before ram. How can you not see that, you can't set an arbitrary limit to what's acceptable. Cost is another thing, nothing is free so loading up a card that can't use it is nonsensical at best irrespective of what morons think.

And what about FC4, Skyrim heavily modded, Shadows of Mordor...future proofing...?

I can set a limit on what I find acceptable for x pounds if I want, just like I set parameters for purchases in all spheres.

Isn't it more moronic to defend GPU companies as if your life depended upon it?

Darujhistan · 9 Jan 2015 at 18:11

Tonester0011 said:
Bless, nobody is replacing their 980s with 960.
Your problem is you don't want high end so you're screaming for a mid range to perform, I hope it doesn't to screw you.

Will laugh LOL.

Edit @ dur, not fox.

Who said they were? you're unraveling now.

My problem is wanting progress and VFM?

How will it 'screw me' exactly?

Again.

1. What res do you play at?

2. Are you happy with your set up?

3. Why are you so against progress?

4. Why so butt hurt about criticism of a GPU company/GPU?

You sound about 12 by the way...

Tonester0011 · 9 Jan 2015 at 18:28

You can't have both, one or the other.
Progression costs, the titan was a giant leap but cost and the VFM aspect didn't come until 2 years later when the new generation were only slightly faster.

You're confusing high end and mid range
range. If you want performance go high end, unfortunately like all things in life. You pay for it.

Or wait for mid range and be content with the performance on offer. If you want VFM, SECOND HAND!!!

Tonester0011 · 9 Jan 2015 at 18:31

Love how you think I'm defending a GPU company. Couldn't care less if my life depended on it lol.

I want top end cards to be pushing the bar higher, happily pay for it. What in turn drives progression in the mid range as they will always be cut down versions.

Your problem is you want mid range to perform as if they're high end, and that's never going to happen.

Darujhistan · 9 Jan 2015 at 18:39

Tonester0011 said:
You can't have both, one or the other.
Progression costs, the titan was a giant leap but cost and the VFM aspect didn't come until 2 years later when the new generation were only slightly faster.

You're confusing high end and mid range
range. If you want performance go high end, unfortunately like all things in life. You pay for it.

Or wait for mid range and be content with the performance on offer. If you want VFM, SECOND HAND!!!

Of course you can! how can you make such a blanket statement?

You can buy new and get great VFM and good performance, 7850 was a great example.

I'm not confusing mid and high range at all, there's 3GB cards at mid range on sale today for £160, how is that high end?

Why are you dodging questions about your own system? just trying to understand why you're so upset by myself and others wanting a good performing card @ 1080p (which i'm sure it will be) but with 3GB of VRAM for some future proofing (and to meet needs in certain games already out there) at a reasonable price...?

Tonester0011 · 9 Jan 2015 at 18:43

Progress was your words, progress...
The 7970 was at least twice as fast, what progress was made with the 7850 pray tell?

As for my system, what does it matter? I change graphics cards weekly. Run 1440@120hz.

Darujhistan · 9 Jan 2015 at 18:47

Tonester0011 said:
Love how you think I'm defending a GPU company. Couldn't care less if my life depended on it lol.

I want top end cards to be pushing the bar higher, happily pay for it. What in turn drives progression in the mid range as they will always be cut down versions.

Your problem is you want mid range to perform as if they're high end, and that's never going to happen.

I bet.

No I don't want a mid card to perform like a top end card, how do you come to that conclusion?

Where have I said I want 290x/980 performance from this or any other mid range card? - stop making stuff up.

"Drives progression in mid range" - Exactly, isn't 4GB the new standard at the top end (single screen setups)? it used to be 3GB, so I;m arguing for exactly what you're saying - progression mid range which would be from 2GB standard to 3GB standard...exactly in line with top end progression...

If you have a top end system, which by the sounds of it you have, why are you so upset that people at 1080p want more VRAM? Is it upsetting you sense of superiority and your overview of what the GPU scene should look like?

Darujhistan · 9 Jan 2015 at 18:49

Tonester0011 said:
Progress was your words, progress...
The 7970 was at least twice as fast, what progress was made with the 7850 pray tell?

As for my system, what does it matter? I change graphics cards weekly. Run 1440@120hz.

VFM and good performance actually...which it was in both cases...

The 7970 GHZ edition wasn't even twice as fast(@1080p) in most cases...nevermind at least twice as fast....plus the 7850 Oc'ed very well, but that's not the point...

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1076?vs=1031

You change cards weekly but you're upset by people who in my own case buy every 2-3 years and want 3GB of VRAM and some future-proofing?

What's your real agenda?

Boomstick777 · 9 Jan 2015 at 18:53

Tonester0011 said:
problem is you want mid range to perform as if they're high end, and that's never going to happen.

Instead we get sold midrange cards at high end price

The real deal high end stuff will arrive eventually... Probably 2016..

FoxEye · 9 Jan 2015 at 18:55

Tonester0011 said:
Your problem is you want mid range to perform as if they're high end, and that's never going to happen.

I don't think anyone has said that.

In my opinion, high-end cards should be for pushing 1440p, 4K and 120Hz screens. You shouldn't need a high-end card for 1080p. But these days both sides expect you to run multiple cards if you want to be "high end". A single 290/980 isn't even the pinnacle it was in years gone by. Add the cost of all that up; it's mind-boggling how much some people have spent.

Now, sadly, the fact is that none of the mid-range cards will do 1080p at 60FPS in every game. You need to step up to a 970 or 290 just for consistently playable frame rates at 1080p in some games.

And the 960 will not be improving that situation. It will still be under-powered even for 1080p, just as the 280 is (I have a 280X @ 1080p, it struggles with things like Metro).