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GTX460 or 470

1920x1080 is supported in most (if not all) modern games. So no black bars.

Though the debate rages over which resolution is better
IE. 1920x1200 or 1920x1080

Thanks
Sure I read somewhere that 1920 x 1200 gives you the best of both worlds in terms of productivity/gaming although it was also suggested that it will be shortly phased out by most manufacturers as 1080p is now almost universal therefore pointless producing larger panels that only sell in relatively small numbers to enthusiasts.
 
Personally I'd rather have a 1080p on 21.5" than 23" monitor, and at half the price lol.

Why:confused:

Is size not the issue here and why most people are suggesting a dimensionally larger monitor to subjectively improve the gaming experience rather than a higher res which may/may not give greater visual clarity but at the expense of FPS.
 
Custom res?

Are games on a 1080P monitor full screen, i.e no black bars
I was under the impression that 1920 x 1200 is a std PC resolution?

Nah - Samsung 2343bw I use it for programming - have a 2233rz for gaming. 99/100 games work fine on 1080p and even odd res like 2048x1152.

If you don't play twitch shooters then an IPS panel would be great - but if your a hardcore fps player your gonna have to research it as some/quite a few IPS panels are no good for that kinda gaming but fine for MMOs, RTS, etc. games.


Workman and his tools aside :P, based on hours of gaming on different panels I've noticed that if I'm playing on your average IPS panel (dell ultrasharps in this case) my scores in MW2 are in the region of 18 kills to 10 deaths, playing on the average TN panel (samsung) more like 24 to 8 or so and playing on a 120Hz TN I've been hitting 4:1 KDRs with scores in the region of 40-6 quite common.
 
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Why:confused:

Is size not the issue here and why most people are suggesting a dimensionally larger monitor to subjectively improve the gaming experience rather than a higher res which may/may not give greater visual clarity but at the expense of FPS.
Sorry, what I meant was mainly the price difference part. Also, to me 21.5" would be more than big enough. Right now I'm on a 1680x1050 20" monitor at a reasonable distance (about 1 metre from where I sit). I just want a 16:9 ratio 1080 monitor so there's no black border at top and bottom when watching some 16:9 videos. I guess size preference varys from people and price is another thing that need considered. Would be best to actually go have a look at the 21.5" and 23" in a store or something to see which suit you better...price wise 23" would definitely be more expensive, but guess that goes without saying.
 
Sorry, what I meant was mainly the price difference part. Also, to me 21.5" would be more than big enough. Right now I'm on a 1680x1050 20" monitor at a reasonable distance (about 1 metre from where I sit). I just want a 16:9 ratio 1080 monitor so there's no black border at top and bottom when watching some 16:9 videos. I guess size preference varys from people and price is another thing that need considered. Would be best to actually go have a look at the 21.5" and 23" in a store or something to see which suit you better...price wise 23" would definitely be more expensive, but guess that goes without saying.

To be honest, before I started this thread all I had to decide was 460 or 470:rolleyes:
I was/am still happy with my 19" display.
Whilst I can see the benefits of a larger wide screen display, the only game I have encountered that would not display 4:3 format was Assassins Creed.
I can remember being really disappointed playing with great big black bars top & btm which for me, really spoilt the gaming experience. Whether or not it's a crap game anyway is a different matter:D

Other than the above, all games I play support 1280 x 1024 which is somewhat surprising when looking at the proliferation of wide screen displays being sold.
 
i have a gtx460 oc'd to 800-1600-2000 and im gaming at the same res you are and i have no problems whatsoever. get an average fps of around 47 in heaven. from my experience get a 460, will definately last you 12 months.
 
i have a gtx460 oc'd to 800-1600-2000 and im gaming at the same res you are and i have no problems whatsoever. get an average fps of around 47 in heaven. from my experience get a 460, will definately last you 12 months.

I'm very tempted by the 460 & like the thought of saving £50 over 470 but my reservations are:
1, Will I regret not getting a 470 (probably)
2, The reports of issues with W7 64 & certain hardware configs.:confused:
3, If I do upgrade my monitor to 1080P, will the 460 last me 12 months?

I suppose, my main concern is #2 above.
My system is now pretty stable & I really can't be arsed to discover my new card has issues with my system.
 
well i think you know you will get a 470 then. Those reservations you have will never go away. Unless your willing to take the risk. Those hardware issues have affected probably less than 1% of 460 owners. I knew of those issues before i bought the card and i am so glad i did buy it. We have answered all your questions now its up to you matey!
 
Scratch, Scratch:D

Running 260GTX-216 OC'd to 700 core.

Cards on the table, I do have an urge to upgrade.
Most people need a reason, some more than others, & mine is to be able to run DX11 titles in all their glory at playable fps.
Whilst we're being honest, i also enjoy buying/playing with new tech.
My current card is by & large fine with all the titles I play i.e Crysis, FO3, Oblivion, JC2 although even on my little old monitor, it does at times struggle;)

Having quickly analysed all the informed replies, I am pretty sure I am going to go with a GTX470 as it will give me extra performance over a 460 with the added benefit of satisfying my curiosity/ego whilst saving me £120.00 for near 480 performance when OC'd.

Hi, i would just like to add my 2 cence to this thread, I purchased parts for a new pc about 4 months ago now, after having the same old crappy pc for 5 year's (amd athlon 64 3500+, 1 gig ram, you get the idea....) it was damn slow by 2010 and struggled to play older games let alone the likes of crysis and bfbc2 etc etc.

Now im with a system i purchased from OCUK, the parts that is, and i built my machine myself, i7 920 perfectly stable for 4 months @ 4 ghz, sli 470s, 6gigs ddr3, etc etc, this is a sick sick sick good pc and i love it to bits.

The point i want to make for you original poster is this, if i had the choice now i would have gone with either a single 480 or just a 470 and oc, cause from what iv seen gaming @ 1920x1080 a single 470 for me is MORE than enough to be overkill for at least another year or 2, and im talking MAX MAX settings + MAX AA, for example bfbc2 runs perfect maxed out in every possible way on a single 470, yet you for some reason think its a good idea to purchase a 470 for that low ass rez you game at... you are not future proofing, you are simply throwing money down the toilet.

Taking the 470 with your system , is like buying a super-car to take the kids to school, you aint never gonna go above 30mph.

Your cpu is slow and will bottle neck it no doubt, your monitor rez is low and the card will be 90% wasted, and this whole idea of "buying a new card so when the good games come along i can play them?" idea is plain stupid, games nowdays are made for consoles and ported over to pcs, no one makes pc games that bring pc's to their knees anymore, in about 2 years when a new xbox or ps4 comes along, the TECH they employ will move up to maby a 4870 if you're lucky, and us pc gamers will still think we need megga equipment to play games, well sure it might be needed, but not at your rez, and not in your system, and their aint no game coming along that a meddicore gtx 460 wont handle, at your rez even the 460 is overkill....

Trust me, stick with what you got, and upgrade the rest of your slow pc first then when you actually NEED a new graphics card, at least the rest of your pc will actually make use of it, cause games being developed over the next few year's certainly wont.

Final closing comment for this long rant of mine is this, you buy a 470 for that system, and you need to slap a MUG sticker accross your forehead :)

/Adios

PS. Nvidia drivers are soooooo nice compared to ATI, loving my pc, and OCUK provide a great service, i highly reccommend them.
 

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...radeon-hd-5850-1gb-directcu-top-review-6.html


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Higher res but not maxed out AA that you claim to use and get a perfect gaming experience with a single 470, hey if you prefer to game at sub 50 fps fps going down in to the 30's and lower that's fine for you, what you regard as good performance, others regard it as mediocre. Others like a nice 60 fps and above average, keeps the game nice and smooth and them heavy graphical moments don't turn in to a lag fest.
 
As great as the 470 is, sli or not, I can't see any card maxing out 'everything' with high AA / dx11 for a lengthy chunk of time. There is always some benchmark or new game that makes the best of the best rigs sweat a fair bit.
 
Hey Kynd
Just cos you're having a bad day;)

Thanks for your kind words and I now fully understand that my whole system is a pile of steaming poo:rolleyes:

I am pretty sure that I would be CPU bottlenecked a bit, and that should I upgrade to 1080P, this will lessen as the GPU usage increases.

My CPU is a Quad core Q6600 @ 3.2 Ghz on a 400 FSB
Yes, old tech but hardly slow tech:p
 
My CPU is a Quad core Q6600 @ 3.2 Ghz on a 400 FSB
Yes, old tech but hardly slow tech:p
That's right. Although Q6600 at 3.2GHz could bottleneck cards at overclocked GTX460 1GB and above in older games, such as Crysis...but that's only because the game was written to use only two cores. With the newer games becoming more and more commonly supporting the use of 3rd and 4th core, a Q6600 at 3.2GHz won't be much of a limitation for even a GTX480; playing older games that only uses 1 or 2 cores though is a different story.

The Q6600 is the best pieace of hardware I ever bought, as I never expected it to be able to last/be competent for this long (well, aside for the unforunate 1.3125v VID :p)
 
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Speed wise the gap is roughly around GTX460 1GB+10%=5850, and 5850+10%=GTX470. Considering that a GTX460 1GB roughly need 800MHz (675MHz+125MHz) to match 5850, to match the GTX470 the GTX460 1GB would need roughly 925MHz (800MHz+125MHz).

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Only just noticed this post.

Now I know I should not rise to the bait here ... but you make that statement like it's an absolute.

Question... have you owned any of these cards? Have you run benchmarks and games and cross checked the figures yourself? or are you doing like so many people do, just picking bits and pieces out of articles that you've read on the NET?

I can do that as well:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/07/12/nvidia-geforce-gtx-460-graphics-card-review/7

and that doesn't really back your figures up.
In some games a stock 460 actually beets a 5850, in some it's about the same and in others it behind,. And resolution and AA applied also make a big difference.

While I was basing my comment on actually owning a 460 clocked at 850MHz and not just looking at bench mark figures but comparing the same game on my system, with my friend who has a 470 at stock and there certainly aint much in it.

Not trying to be rude here but just trying to point out that it's not quite that simple.

Which ever card he chooses (if he does) then I'm sure he will be more than happy. :)
 
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Only just noticed this post.

Now I know I should not rise to the bait here ... but you make that statement like it's an absolute.

Question... have you owned any of these cards? Have you run benchmarks and games and cross checked the figures yourself? or are you doing like so many people do, just picking bits and pieces out of articles that you've read on the NET?

I can do that as well:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/07/12/nvidia-geforce-gtx-460-graphics-card-review/7

and that doesn't really back your figures up.
In some games a stock 460 actually beets a 5850, in some it's about the same and in others it behind,. And resolution and AA applied also make a big difference.

While I was basing my comment on actually owning a 460 clocked at 850MHz and not just looking at bench mark figures but comparing the same game on my system, with my friend who has a 470 at stock and there certainly aint much in it.

Not trying to be rude here but just trying to point out that it's not quite that simple.

Which ever card he chooses (if he does) then I'm sure he will be more than happy. :)
Now who's the one trying to raise the bait here? You obviously haven't see this thread:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18176548&page=2&highlight=AnandTech

Also, Dirt 2 is a Nvidia biased game, so it's not a good representation. You want to compare the cards on fair ground, try results of more neutral games such as BFBC2.

And see here look at the result of 1920x1200 4xAA 16xAF of the Palit GTX 460 Sonic Platinum (800MHz) compare to 5850:
http://www.techspot.com/review/299-palit-inno3d-geforce-gtx-460/page6.html
how am I wrong to say GTX460 1GB roughly need to be around 800MHz to be around 5850 speed?
 
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