Guitar players looking for a quality all solid wood acoustic cheap

Now that's the kind of price I wouldn't mind paying to learn and not feel guilty if it just sits in the corner...as opposed to a Taylor.

Your Taylor obsessed.:o


The sigma line are Martin copies and feature laminate sides in the price bracket I mention


Have you actually bought a guitar yet ?:o
 
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Your Taylor obsessed.:o


The sigma line are Martin copies and feature laminate sides in the price bracket I mention


Have you actually bought a guitar yet ?:o

Not bought one, but borrowed an unknown brand one from a friend...and i don't like it. Action is too high and the sound isn't as "sweet".
 
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Not bought one, but borrowed one from a friend...and i don't like it. Action is too high and the sound isn't as "sweet".

I don't think you want to learn tbh

I didn't give a toss what the guitar sounded like when I first started playing some 20 odd years ago.

I lived and breathed playing anything.

Just get a guitar ffs:eek:
 
I don't think you want to learn tbh

I didn't give a toss what the guitar sounded like when I first started playing some 20 odd years ago.

I lived and breathed playing anything.

Just get a guitar ffs:eek:

Virtually every major guitar hero when asked what they learned on have always said it was some awful acoustic that their Mum or Dad got out of a Walmart/Kays catalogue.
My first guitar was a Hohner given to me by my Dad who couldn't play it anymore because he'd got a shiny new Strat.

Raymond reminds me of an ex workmate who decided to play guitar and (seriously) he went out and bought a brand new Gibson Les Paul Standard and a 100 watt Marshall stack :D
He lasted about 6 months.
 
I still occasionally play my 3/4 size classical guitar.
It cost 15 quid (iirc) from a charity shop window, plus a couple of quid for some cheapo wood glue to repair one of the braces so it didn't buzz anymore.

My first acoustic guitar is the Seagull S6 Folk... second hand, broken twice (reputable repairs), cost me £90, albeit from a mate who didn't look after it so well. Played it for more than 10 years. I'd never think of selling it.

Raymond, just go and buy a guitar that you can learn the basics on - if it's going to be new, don't spend more than 3-400 quid (you can also pay much much less new and second hand - don't buy one from a catalogue ;) or from ebay).

Just go and buy one. Never mind about the shiny thing that costs over a grand, you'll only appreciate it after you've learned how to play, until then, not so much.

Do it. Do it now.

Then you can start playing, instead of being dazzled by the pinnacle of guitar instrument models as being 'better than everything else'. Brands like Taylor and Martin, or Lowden and Stonebridge make some really, really nice guitars, but as a novice, you're just not going to have the skill or technique or the stamina in your hands to get the best out of an instrument like that.

Go buy a guitar in your price range (no more than 400 quid absolute maximum) and learn how to play. Then you play every day for a few minutes or a few hours. After that you can move on to something better when your ability starts to become limited by the quality of the instrument. Until then no matter how expensive your guitar is, well... if you can't play, you can't play, simple as that.

So, go on, do it.... do it. Yer, do it.
 
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Virtually every major guitar hero when asked what they learned on have always said it was some awful acoustic that their Mum or Dad got out of a Walmart/Kays catalogue.
My first guitar was a Hohner given to me by my Dad who couldn't play it anymore because he'd got a shiny new Strat.

Raymond reminds me of an ex workmate who decided to play guitar and (seriously) he went out and bought a brand new Gibson Les Paul Standard and a 100 watt Marshall stack :D
He lasted about 6 months.

My first guitar was a Hohner Strat sunburst. I got a job washing dishes in the local pub to pay for it.It was my mates older brothers guitar I used to see in his room when I went around to play:p His brother had a 1980's sparkly red USA fender Strat with gold hardware that he wouldn't let me touch.He used to try to play it lol.

Anyway I saved up think it was 40 quid IIRC and left the job washing up and went around to my mates house and bought that hohner off his brother.

I played and played and played it and worked out all the beatles songs from an old chord book of my dads.Didn't have an amp or anything.Just played it unplugged. Anyway as time went on I got better...learned some blues and stuff and some licks. I went around to my mates house and his older brother was there. I asked if I could have a go of his 80's USA strat...he laughed a bit took the mick but finally said yes.

I picked it up and remember it weighed and absolute tonne! Didn't like it! But I played that thing and showed off and blew his older brother out the window with my mediocre playing. But I must have sounded good.I got a lot of respect that day from his brother...Years later I saw him in a pub and asked him about that strat...He said he gave up a few month later and sold it...He hadn't played since.

How I would love that (heavy as a table) red 80's strat now in my collection...The hohner has gone (replaced with an SG) when I discovered Zappa...

Anyway jumpy is 100% spot on.
 
Raymond reminds me of an ex workmate who decided to play guitar and (seriously) he went out and bought a brand new Gibson Les Paul Standard and a 100 watt Marshall stack :D
He lasted about 6 months.

That is EXACTLY what is going to happen, hence I borrowed a guitar instead of buying a Taylor ! :p
 
That is EXACTLY what is going to happen, hence I borrowed a guitar instead of buying a Taylor ! :p

But you borrowed a guitar with a high action you didn't like. Why not buy a cheap guitar you do like?

Its not rocket science.:mad:

I learnt on an electric and didn't get a "proper" acoustic until about a decade later.

Excuses excuses:o

Anyhow...Rumour has it Taylor are selling the company to someone else. :D
 
Well, I only found out the action is too high after i borrowed it, its not like my friend has a cupboard full i can borrow, I am grateful about it really (may not appear so here).
 
I kind of accidentally all over the page

How are you defining the action as being too high? String action is different on many guitars for a reason, not least so that when you frett the guitar you don't get dead spots or frett buzz on what is supposed to be an open string. (indeed, instruments like resonator guitars have a deliberately high action because of how they are meant to be played - they need more room for the string to vibrate)

Comparing a top quality expensive guitar with a budget instrument is a false comparison - I can play with the same skill and confidence on my seagull as my taylor, even though the taylor cost 3 times as much as the seagull. The string action is definitely lower of the taylor.
The things that sets the two guitars apart are the tone, sustain and quality of material and workmanship; Both are good, but the taylor is better. What brings the two guitars on parity, is my ability to play.

Note: acoustic guitars will always have a higher action than electrics. Likewise one of the Taylors I looked at a little while back had a terrible action, way too high and the neck was not adjusted right at all. Guy in the shop said guitars vary and it's how they're made... huh, the guitar in question was on the shop display, so had likely been out of its case for some time. I asked to see the other two from out in the stores, both in their cases. Guess what - great actions with proper adjustment of the necks.
PRO TIP - when buying a guitar and you've decided on a particular model, see if you can look at more than one instrument of the same type/model and compare them. Also, if you have a choice, don't buy the one that's the shop demo, it most likely has seen too many tyre-kickers.

Anyway, back to the guitar... Is the neck straight with a little recurve to it? I ask as it may be possible to tweak the truss rod slightly to improve the action, you can also do stuff like sand the bridge down a tad... neither solution is a diy option if you don't know what you're doing. But a competent guitar repair place could tell you if it can be done. Also, if your mate will let you ;)

Something else worth thinking about, and I'm just throwing this out there: how strong are your hands? I don't mean how many rocks can you crush in them or to suggest you are some kind of wimpy girly-man, but how strong are your hands for shaping chords and running scales etc? If you're just starting out, I'd say the answer is 'not very'. If you have no callouses on your fingertips and you fingers get sore on the pads after a half hour, I'd say the answer is definitely not very :p
After years of playing bass and acoustic guitar, I have virtually no feeling in the tips of the fingers of my left hand because of hard skin (a useful side effect of this is I can pick up hot things and not get burned haha). This and the automatic shape acquisition of the muscles in my forearm, hand and fingers is not an ability that comes easily and like any fine motor skill needs constant practise to maintain - Something the beginner has yet to achieve.

Now, here's something I think is important to take on board, I was told this when starting out: Learning to play on an acoustic with a 'strong action' will give your hands strength and hone your dexterity and accuracy. It will also teach your technique not to be lazy.
The clearest example of this theory is to look at how much easier it is to play an electric guitar over an acoustic, because of the thinner strings and lower string height. Now, take two guys starting out, the first chap plays acoustic with it's 'disadvantages'. The second guy plays electric with its 'advantages'. In terms of beginners the guy who started out on acoustic guitar will have an easier time of playing the electric than the second guy will have moving from electric to acoustic, despite the second guy coming from the instrument with the so-called 'advantages'.
Learning to play on a guitar that is 'good enough' as opposed to one that is 'perfect' will only be good for you in the long run. I can say this from a position of more than a decade of playing stringed instruments.

Sure, everyone has a dream guitar, or motorbike or car or whatever. Just forget about all of that and play, because the real pleasure of playing an instrument is not found in the superficial appreciation of the quality of fine craftsmanship, or even perfect intonation of an instrument (though these aspects do have their merits), but simply enjoying the music as an extension of your vocabulary to speak to other musicians or to an audience, even if sometimes that audience is only you.
But like most things, you get out what you put in (and I think I put in enough here already hehe).
 
The clearest example of this theory is to look at how much easier it is to play an electric guitar over an acoustic, because of the thinner strings and lower string height.

Fact
My Yamaha acoustic plays easier than my electrics because I have 10s on my acoustic with a lovely action but my electrics have 11s because I batter the hell out of them on stage.
 
Virtually every major guitar hero when asked what they learned on have always said it was some awful acoustic that their Mum or Dad got out of a Walmart/Kays catalogue.

I saw Jeff Healey not long before he passed and he was still playing that SQuire Strat he so loved. Mattered not though the sound he got out of it.
 
I learnt on an electric.When I got an acoustic I found it easier. Wider neck etc..

There is no science here. Its a do it approach.

10's on an acoustic would to me sound thin though.

One has to work an acoustic...No pain no gain.
 
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