Gym - Dented pride

[grimm]

Does sound like a stroke or TIA to me... not good.

 

[v0n]

I lost the feeling in my face, arms, hands, legs. Had really bad pins and needles, couldn't move my fingers to pick up my water bottle for a drink. (...) I couldn't speak properly.

Statistically much more likely to be disruption of blood flow to brain, stroke of some kind than DOMS. You should consult doctor immediately.
One does not ef with symptoms like that. If this "episode" began after you started driving the car you'd potentially have bigger problem than "dented pride".

 

[Nightglow]

Also, within a year of having a TIA, about 3 in 100 people have a heart attack.

Suggest you see your doctor asap.

I had series of tests, MRI scan ECG, etc.

 

[encephalopathy]

sounds very like an episode of hyperventilation probably triggered off by the muscle pain. very unlikely to require further investigation or medicating if it was a one off episode, but see your GP anyway is my advice

 

[opethdisciple]

Had an awful day at the gym today! In 4 years of heavy training I've never experienced anything quite like it...

Did shoulders/quads last night so I thought I'd just do some relatively 'easy' deadlifts/glutes. Did 5 sets of deads, my back felt like it'd had enough so i left. On the way to the car I got an almighty pain in right side of my back and leg.

Got into the car and sat in agony for 10 minutes before I lost the feeling in my face, arms, hands, legs. Had really bad pins and needles, couldn't move my fingers to pick up my water bottle for a drink.

Saw a trainer leaving the gym so I managed to stumble out the car and get his attention - I couldn't speak properly. Took me inside and they had to sit with me until I could speak and the feelings returned to my body. They wanted to phone an ambulance but I refused and glad I did!

Scared the hell out of me - Still not quite sure what happened. I've felt a bit sick ever since and bed bound for the night but I have no DOMS whatsoever, I deadlift every week.

Embarrassed more than anything, dented pride. Any ideas or similar experiences? Exhaustion(I've been in the gym every night for 17 days straight) ? Possibly panic at the pain in my back? Dehydration(had an upset stomach this morning)? No idea...

You may have tweaked a nerve in your back or spine...

 

[SkodaMart]

You may have tweaked a nerve in your back or spine...

Ok, This is very true, then what can happen is the horrendous feelings that you get from spine / spinal cord injury can bring on a panic attack.

Panic attacks can be truly terrifying, and you can loose feeling in your extremities.

Please don't flame me for this, I am sure many GP's will agree 100% with what I am about to say.

Heavy weights is a mugs game, try swimming instead.

 

[opethdisciple]

Ok, This is very true, then what can happen is the horrendous feelings that you get from spine / spinal cord injury can bring on a panic attack.

Panic attacks can be truly terrifying, and you can loose feeling in your extremities.

Please don't flame me for this, I am sure many GP's will agree 100% with what I am about to say.

Heavy weights is a mugs game, try swimming instead.

Yes, lifting ridiculously heavy weights (ie - world's strongest man type weights) cant be healthy for you.

Dont lots of the these types of guys, die early?

 

[tom_e]

Ok, This is very true, then what can happen is the horrendous feelings that you get from spine / spinal cord injury can bring on a panic attack.

Panic attacks can be truly terrifying, and you can loose feeling in your extremities.

Please don't flame me for this, I am sure many GP's will agree 100% with what I am about to say.

Heavy weights is a mugs game, try swimming instead.

Many GP's will also agree that a carb centered diet is healthy, go figure.

 

[SkodaMart]

Many GP's will also agree that a carb centered diet is healthy, go figure.

The problem with weight training is it is very difficult to do in 'moderation'
It is such a buzz, I was like a drug to me and never got into it as much as some.

The problem is it is extreme exercise, you may get away with it when you are young but trust me when I say this:

With heavy weights, one way or another you will end up injured.

Spinal injuries are about as much fun as a steel spike through the testicles.

It has a MASSIVE negative effect on your mental health and self confidence.
Depression and panic attacks are very common.

Yes swimming is 'boring' but you are stuck with the body you are born with 'til the day you die.

Look after it.

 

[SkodaMart]

Anyway. I hope you are OK OP.
I suspect it was just a panic attack, but please do get it checked out next time if you feel unwell again.

For the record, I am 40 now.

I know I sound like my dad, and I would have disagreed with everything I have just written when I was 20 and full of *****.

so please don't try and 'educate me'

 

[tom_e]

The problem with weight training is it is very difficult to do in 'moderation'
It is such a buzz, I was like a drug to me and never got into it as much as some.

The problem is it is extreme exercise, you may get away with it when you are young but trust me when I say this:

With heavy weights, one way or another you will end up injured.

Spinal injuries are about as much fun as a steel spike through the testicles.

It has a MASSIVE negative effect on your mental health and self confidence.
Depression and panic attacks are very common.

Yes swimming is 'boring' but you are stuck with the body you are born with 'til the day you die.

Look after it.

It depends on what extremes you take it to, it's had the complete opposite effect on me my mental health and self confidence has never been better and my body never feels better than when I work out regularly it keeps some problems I have at bay.
Yes I may be in my 20's and full of ***** but I know older guys including my dad who's in his 50's and they feel exactly the same.

 

[mrthingyx]

Ok, This is very true, then what can happen is the horrendous feelings that you get from spine / spinal cord injury can bring on a panic attack.

Panic attacks can be truly terrifying, and you can loose feeling in your extremities.

Please don't flame me for this, I am sure many GP's will agree 100% with what I am about to say.

Heavy weights is a mugs game, try swimming instead.

I won't flame you for GPs' general lack of awareness of anything to do with the musculoskeletal system, simply because they very, very rarely have to do anything with it.

I have a huge amount of personal experience of this as do others I know, as well as talking to GPs that I know on a personal basis, too. This is the reason physios exist. I also worked in orthopaedic research for 3 years and learned to lament the advice given out by GPs in the area of osteoarthritis (to be fair, GPs have finally realised that weight management and healthy lifestyles are actually important and are generally changing their approach).

GPs advocate swimming as it's a low impact exercise that suits a lot of people. However, what GPs don't realise is that many people's idea of swimming is bobbing around slowly in a swimming pool without doing very much. In other words, they're giving poor advice.

GPs don't understand weight training because it's a specific field in and of itself (much like exercise physiology in general), ergo they won't recommend people get stuck into it. Considering a lot of PTs don't understand it, you can draw your own conclusions. Considering the benefits of wegith training are backed up by a huge amount of research (as is swimming), your statement is false and baseless.

But then, this comes from professionals who will openly admit that cough medicine does nothing other than provide patients with a coping mechanism. The same for antibiotics in the 70-90s. And look where that got us?

The fundamental problem with GPs is that they are required to know a little bit about everything, and a little bit of knowledge can be a very dangerous thing.

Go and figure.

 

[SkodaMart]

@mrthingyx
Training with weights is a great way to improve strength, conditioning and bone density.
It will have a great 'positive' effect on your mental health.

The problem with it is:

The problem with weight training is it is very difficult to do in 'moderation'
It is such a buzz, I was like a drug to me and never got into it as much as some.

I had a good few sessions with a professional Physio last year and guess what he said?

Heavy weights is a mugs game, try swimming instead.

 

[SkodaMart]

You do need an 'impact' exercise to keep your strength and bone density up.
Weights in moderation is good.

Swimming (low impact) and walking (moderate impact) however will serve you well until the day you die.

 

[mrthingyx]

I had a good few sessions with a professional Physio last year and guess what he said?

Yet I have had two physios in the past year, one of which suggested I lift big for a back condition (which has since resolved as a direct result, despite a GP suggesting I just take naproxen or codeine on prescription) and the other who tries to lift big, too.

Strange, that?

 

[SkodaMart]

Yet I have had two physios in the past year, one of which suggested I lift big for a back condition

Yeah right.

I have posted my advice. Ignore if you wish to.

Just like I did when the Physio said I should be swimming instead.

It's all about one thing. ego, cahoonas, pride.

The problem with that is all of the above goes out of the window when you have a REAL back problem.

 

[mrthingyx]

Yeah right.

I have posted my advice. Ignore if you wish to.

Just like I did when the Physio said I should be swimming instead.

It's all about one thing. ego, cahoonas, pride.

The problem with that is all of the above goes out of the window when you have a REAL back problem.

Define back condition. The first physio was concerned I had a disc problem of some description and banned me from the gym until he'd assessed me.

Mine was an issue with the lumber spine caused by too much uncorrected bad posture as a young'un, martial arts training and skeletal malformity (is that a word? Basically my veterbrae are an odd shape). Guess what is a perfect remedy for that? Core bracing and lower back exercises.

As I said previously: guess what matches that perfectly?

I'm going to ignore your advice because it isn't good advice on its own. Weight training - as you have already posted - is very good for a human.

You are concerned with the extremes - which is absolutely correct - but those are just that: extremes. They occur in swimming, too, y'know. And badminton, etc. I've had more injuries in all of my sports than I have in my year of weightlifting, so again: go figure.

If you are happy with your routine, then that is great - that is more important than whether or not it's effective, as people don't stick to routines they are unhappy with.

 

[SkodaMart]

Define back condition. The first physio was concerned I had a disc problem of some description and banned me from the gym until he'd assessed me.

You have just defined back condition yourself, anything involving discs, and your spinal cord really.

You are concerned with the extremes - which is absolutely correct - but those are just that: extremes.

I agree on this and this is the point I was trying to make ^^

It is very hard to do 'moderation' in a gym, the male competitive spirt takes over.

 

[LiE]

Skoda, it sounds like you have a problem with moderating your time in the gym. I've been training a long time and only every trained 4 days a week.

 

[mrthingyx]

You have just defined back condition yourself, anything involving discs, and your spinal cord really.

From your perspective: there is a lot more to the back from just the spinal cord and cartilage discs. Muscles? Vertebrae? Peripheral nerves?

I agree on this and this is the point I was trying to make ^^

It is very hard to do 'moderation' in a gym, the male competitive spirt takes over.

No it isn't. I'm guessing there are historical or environmental reasons for your perspective, but they are no more applicable to weight trianing than they are for any other activity.