[H]Fall 2012 GPU and Driver Comparison Roundup

[iB CoMpL3XiTy]

Lol, why not just add the clock speed of the lightning to the chart?

Why wouldn't you include that information, it makes life easier for people looking at the charts, they don't have to find out what the stock speed of a lightning GTX680 is.

Also some people are thick, or just uninformed so may think that a stock lightning GTX680 is the same as a stock GTX680 but with a fancy cooler ETC...

Obviously everyone should be able to benchmark at whatever speed they want without getting aload of abuse, but stating the clock speed is obviously extremely important when it comes to benchmarking, even if your just stating a factory overclock.

 

[humbug]

I have had my fair share of run ins with greg and rusty, I'm nottaking sides.

I simply read through the thread subjectively and gave my view on the subject and how I perceived your comments on the matter.

I showed that by clicking a '680' BM link which then contains 'Lightning' is more than enough to indicate what gpu is being used.

If 'dictate' is too strong a word, then I apologise, but if you take a step back and read your comments as if someone else wrote them-if you can, then you might see what I'm reading.

There is no point in arguing on the matter, I'm not in it to fall out with anyone, I just stop responding to posts mate.

tommy, i know what i wrote. all the way through i made it abundantly clear that your average joe would not know a lightning is a factory overclocked card, i simply suggested a simple "factory overclocked" line would have communicated that fact.

That's it, how exactly did you perceive my comment?

You simply should not badger anyone who put in the time/effort/money on how to word their graphs

90% of this is my defending a simple suggestion, that's quite different to badgering, you perceive that as badgering.

That's just plain ganging up.

 

[Stanners]

I don't know about everyone else, but it seems obvious to me.

He's suggesting that it's either labeled with the core speed it uses, or he does them at the stock speed of a 680.

I can understand there being some confusion, if I saw "680 stock" I'd think reference clock speed.

It seems like it's just been a stupid misunderstanding that's escalated.

I don't think anyone really thinks Greg's being dishonest, but rather the info as it's presented is ambiguous.

I don't even know what the reference clockspeed of a 680 is, never mind the Lightning's one prior to Greg mentioning that it's 1202Mhz.

Where has questioning Gregs honesty come from?

If I see reference 680 at stock, I would know what that is. Now if I saw reference Lightning 680 at stock, I would do a bit of research as to what this Lightning bit refers to.

 

[Rusty0611]

Agreed. It would be better if the speed was on there or at least an explanatory note accompanying the chart but as mentioned before it's not exactly hidden what card is being used and at what speed.

 

[tommybhoy]

tommy, i know what i wrote. all the way through i made it abundantly clear that your average joe would not know a lightning is a factory overclocked card, i simply suggested a simple "factory overclocked" line would have communicated that fact.

That's it, how exactly did you perceive my comment?

Honestly, looking in this thread, from reading other posts, imho, it looks like you and greg have a beef and you both can't let it go at times and it's spilled into this thread.

It's like watching George and Mildred.

90% of this is my defending a simple suggestion, that's quite different to badgering, you perceive that as badgering.

As your the one requesting, then yes, I do perceive it as badgering,

That's just plain ganging up.

Seriously, it's not mate-from me anyway.

 

[spoffle]

Where has questioning Gregs honesty come from?

If I see reference 680 at stock, I would know what that is. Now if I saw reference Lightning 680 at stock, I would do a bit of research as to what this Lightning bit refers to.

Greg said it himself, that his honesty was being questioned.

I've moaned about Greg enough, but I wouldn't say I thought he was dishonest.

 

[Rusty0611]

In the benchmark thread I also felt like his honesty was being questioned too - this is where this originated from.

Perhaps just due to the lack of tone which is obviously there in text but it did look that way.

 

[DavidS14]

I think that the only ambiguity is the use of "stock", which is any cards shipped speed. If I'd have done the same benchmarking on my system I'd have labelled it the same as they are my results so stock is non-tweaked and then the other runs would be labelled with any changes I make.

If anyone then wants to take my results and combine them with others or do comparisons it's up to them to look at my kit/settings and decide how/what to compare the results with.

If I see "stock" I'll automatically know to check the card that's being used but if I see "reference" then I don't have to as all the cards should be within a few %.

 

[spoffle]

In the benchmark thread I also felt like his honesty was being questioned too - this is where this originated from.

Perhaps just due to the lack of tone which is obviously there in text but it did look that way.

On the flip side, if you know you're being honest, who cares if some one claims you're not? It doesn't change anything does it?

You're very right about tone not being conveyed very well in text, this is the very reason why some of my posts have been taken out of context at times.

 

[Rusty0611]

On the flip side, if you know you're being honest, who cares if some one claims you're not? It doesn't change anything does it?

True - but I think it's more to do with thinking "why bother?" when you've put the effort in to provide results for the community to then be questioned on their validity.

Apparently there's some people questioning my results/game choice on another site for my 5760*1080 7950 CF vs 680 SLI comparison. Honestly, I couldn't care less as I posted them on this forum and most people here realise I have zero bias what so ever.

I did enjoy where apparently it was said I had AMD bias though! Ha. I haven't even read it nor have I any interest in reading it. I'll let the more vocal and more bias AMD boys argue it out and hopefully the opinions will balance out.

 

[spoffle]

True - but I think it's more to do with thinking "why bother?" when you've put the effort in to provide results for the community to then be questioned on their validity.

Apparently there's some people questioning my results/game choice on another site for my 5760*1080 7950 CF vs 680 SLI comparison. Honestly, I couldn't care less as I posted them on this forum and most people here realise I have zero bias what so ever.

I did enjoy where apparently it was said I had AMD biased though! Ha. I haven't even read it nor have I any interest in reading it. I'll let the more vocal and more bias AMD boys argue it out and hopefully the opinions will balance out.

Well being biased in general is one thing, but being so biased as to make up fake bench marks?

OH LAWD that's another type of crazy all together (unless you're in the nVidia Focus Group Programme ) but it's pretty obvious you aren't

In other news, I've got a resolution (hurr hurr) on those Twin Frozrs, I'm swapping them for 2x HIS IceQ X2s tomorrow so I might join in the benchmarking.

I might wait until I've got the rest of my PC in a few weeks though (3930K and motherboard) before I join in, or I might do both, see how they they compare to a Q6600 at 3.5. I have no idea what to expect, it's been about 5 years since I had a new CPU to play with.

 

[Rusty0611]

Well being biased in general is one thing, but being so biased as to make up fake bench marks?

OH LAWD that's another type of crazy all together (unless you're in the nVidia Focus Group Programme ) but it's pretty obvious you aren't

In other news, I've got a resolution (hurr hurr) on those Twin Frozrs, I'm swapping them for 2x HIS IceQ X2s tomorrow so I might join in the benchmarking.

I might wait until I've got the rest of my PC in a few weeks though (3930K and motherboard) before I join in, or I might do both, see how they they compare to a Q6600 at 3.5. I have no idea what to expect, it's been about 5 years since I had a new CPU to play with.

Nice. They're the ones on the 7970 PCB aren't they? They should overclock fairly well if so.

On this forum alone in the past few days (including the four returned between us) I've counted 10-15 MSI Twin Frozr cards having problems. On the plus side, their rep came in and said he's going to look into it.

p.s. the HIS cards are MASSIVE

 

[spoffle]

Yeah 7970 PCB. I'm hoping they overclock very nicely

How is your other IceQ?

The amount of issues with these MSI cards really is shocking though, I wonder what's wrong with them?

What kind of size are we talking? Size isn't an issue because I've got a TJ07, but still

 

[humbug]

Honestly, looking in this thread, from reading other posts, imho, it looks like you and greg have a beef and you both can't let it go at times and it's spilled into this thread.

It's like watching George and Mildred.





As your the one requesting, then yes, I do perceive it as badgering,



Seriously, it's not mate-from me anyway.

I realise i'm the new boy around here, i realise i'm not a part a the click, so i can handle gang-ups from laurel and hardy always in tandem.

But i was surprised to see you here claiming to have read my posts and perceive them to be badgering, that and other ways is exactly how Laural and hardy try and twist a lot of what they don't like being posted around here and i'm far from the only one they do this to.

gregster and Rusty react like the damsel in distress every other day around here, and usually in threads inconvenient to their favorite GPU brand.

And if you really did read my posts then you could not possibly have missed the goading from the other two.

Yet you chose to ignore that and place the responsibility entirely on me while pertaining to be the impartial party to it.

 

[Rusty0611]

Yeah 7970 PCB. I'm hoping they overclock very nicely

How is your other IceQ?

The amount of issues with these MSI cards really is shocking though, I wonder what's wrong with them?

What kind of size are we talking? Size isn't an issue because I've got a TJ07, but still

Longer than the MSI card by a few centimeters and sticks out more towards the side of the case by a massive amount due to the heatpipe orientation. The IceQ X2 doesn't have the heatpipes in the same place though. I had to cut away some of the plastic where my side case fan is attached to the panel to get the side back on!

I've got a HAF X which is obviously a large case so it wasn't a problem for me either but they are definitely bigger overall. The cutting of the plastic was just down to the odd design of where the fan attaches to the panel so it wasn't really a problem for me to cut it away.

I've only got one card now. I played my usual games with 1 and I was more than happy with the performance. No difference compared to "the beast" (my Windforce GTX 680) without an FPS counter on. Both were very smooth.

gregster and Rusty react like the damsel in distress every other day around here, and usually in threads inconvenient to their favorite GPU brand.

I don't have a favourite GPU brand.

Do you argue with everyone humbug?

p.s. I've got an AMD card in my machine/signature and as above I'm very, very happy with it.

 

[Admiral Huddy]

Is this thread going anywhere because if not I'll close it and ask certain individual to put their handbags away. This really isn't pleasant reading tbh.

 

[Gregster]

First one done

Just had a look at the other 3 and I think they are ok? If this was just about this one chart saying stock, instead of saying 1202Mhz/1502Mhz, that is a poor show.

 

[humbug]

After all that you went and did it? lol, you wind me up

Looks good

 

[Gregster]

After all that you went and did it? lol, you wing me up

Looks good

I said earlier this morning I would do it but as I am on nights, I needed to sleep.

Edit:

Update it Gregster. It'll give him something else to whine about. Or just put the clock speed at the top title.

Must conform to Madame Humbug's rules to counteract the average IQ of a PC user being less than 70.

lol I have a cuppa and then going to bed. I will do when I get up

 

[TheRealDeal]

That's not the chart or results that i was on about but i feel the whole thing is best just left. In future i will try to word things a bit better as not to offend anybody.