Halo 2 to be vista only

Flammy said:
I'll buy vista when I can afford the tech for DX10 games and they become common enough to justify the expenditure. I dont appreciate MS only releasing games for Vista for the simple reason that they want more people to buy it (not for any tech-related reason). Its like they have forgotten about their XP customers and just want more ££.

Apple is hardly a valid comparison, there are loads of alternatives to their way. I'd like to see anyone trying to seriously play games on a PC without using windows and Directx though, it's pretty much essential these days and MS know it.
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but that's the game markets fault not MS, MS make very few games, however as MS has the most operating systems, why would game companies make there games compatible with other operating systems at huge expense?

It has nothing to do with MS, it is down to game designers.
 
for vista/8800 owners its good news if its dx10 i suppose, but lets face it the halo series is a very below avg shooter anyway , not like many will lose sleep over this decision if true
 
halo 2 doesnt actually use directx 10 you know. There is no reason to keep it only on vista. Almost all games bought today work on XP, 2000 and some on 98/ME.

And yer it will get cracked about a day after realease :P
 
I'd struggle to care less about the lack of Halo 2, it is quite an old console game and I didn't even like the first one so no great loss as far as I am concerned. It certainly doesn't represent a good reason for me to upgrade to Vista although I no doubt will when I build my next PC but that won't be for another few months at the very least. :)
 
AcidHell2 said:
but that's the game markets fault not MS, MS make very few games, however as MS has the most operating systems, why would game companies make there games compatible with other operating systems at huge expense?

It has nothing to do with MS, it is down to game designers.
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So because MS have a monopoly on the OS market, you say that they are justified in doing whatever they want? What bizarre logic. Why should the 'games market' and the general public have to spend cash every time MS decide they want to move the goalposts?

When I bought XP I don't remember seeing a section in the license saying 'you are permitted to use this software until we release a newer version in a couple of years, at which time you either fork out or we no longer consider you a valued customer'
 
The fact that they are releasing a 2-year old xbox game with no apparent DX10 features indicates how cynical a move this is. If they released a revised edition of Halo 2 with vista-specific improvements (but which also worked on XP minus the extra effects) then fair enough.

But it's like they're saying 'look what we can do if we want. Even with this old crappy game we could force you to buy Vista, so you might as well go out and get it now...'
 
Flammy said:
So because MS have a monopoly on the OS market, you say that they are justified in doing whatever they want? What bizarre logic. Why should the 'games market' and the general public have to spend cash every time MS decide they want to move the goalposts?
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No that isn't what is being said, at least not how I read it. Microsoft have a monopoly on the OS market (and by extension DX helps) so games are coded for Windows because there is the biggest market for them. Put it another way, do you see many people coding games for OS/2? Aside from technical limitations the market just isn't there to make it worthwhile. Halo series is a little different to most in that Microsoft own or at least fund Bungie so they get to choose what happens with the game and how it works. Most independent games programming companies won't make DX10 specific games yet as there is no point cutting off a sizeable segment of the market.

Flammy said:
When I bought XP I don't remember seeing a section in the license saying 'you are permitted to use this software until we release a newer version in a couple of years, at which time you either fork out or we no longer consider you a valued customer'
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I'm pretty sure it is implicit in buying a piece of software released in a given year, they get outdated and replaced with new software. It happened to Windows 3.1, it happened to Windows 95.... there is definite precedent here but Microsoft will continue to support their older OSes for years until it is reasonable to suspect most people will have moved off them. If memory serves XP has been around for at least 5 years which isn't all that bad a return on the money you spent and will probably be supported for the same period again. Microsoft isn't perfect, far from it, but nor is it doing anything other than 99% of companies would do if they had the chance. :)
 
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yep that's what I meant.

Flammy said:
So because MS have a monopoly on the OS market, you say that they are justified in doing whatever they want? What bizarre logic. Why should the 'games market' and the general public have to spend cash every time MS decide they want to move the goalposts?

When I bought XP I don't remember seeing a section in the license saying 'you are permitted to use this software until we release a newer version in a couple of years, at which time you either fork out or we no longer consider you a valued customer'
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things get out of date, look at the digital change over on tv. Game developers do not have to use directX, if they used another format it could be easily incorperated into other operating systems.
 
semi-pro waster said:
I'm pretty sure it is implicit in buying a piece of software released in a given year, they get outdated and replaced with new software. It happened to Windows 3.1, it happened to Windows 95.... there is definite precedent here but Microsoft will continue to support their older OSes for years until it is reasonable to suspect most people will have moved off them. If memory serves XP has been around for at least 5 years which isn't all that bad a return on the money you spent and will probably be supported for the same period again. Microsoft isn't perfect, far from it, but nor is it doing anything other than 99% of companies would do if they had the chance. :)
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Granted, things do get outdated, but im not sure 2 months after the release of vista is a reasonable time to start selling games only for it. Windows 95 and 3.x did go out, but not for about 3 or 4 years after the release of the next version.
 
jessola said:
Granted, things do get outdated, but im not sure 2 months after the release of vista is a reasonable time to start selling games only for it. Windows 95 and 3.x did go out, but not for about 3 or 4 years after the release of the next version.
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Don't get me wrong I don't like the practice but Microsoft are more or less funding the game, if they wanted to say it can only install on machines where the user has the name of "Phil" then that is entirely their prerogative because all they do is limit their own market.

The majority of games will still continue to support DX9 for at least another year if not two because the user base isn't all likely to just jump to Vista, especially not for a two year old game. Again it comes down to choice, you don't have to buy Halo 2 but it does seem like you might have to buy Vista to play it so "you pays your money you makes your choice". I wouldn't be getting Vista for Halo 2 when XP does everything I need and will be supported for a long time to come but when I build a new PC it makes sense to get Vista, simple as that. :)
 
jessola said:
Granted, things do get outdated, but im not sure 2 months after the release of vista is a reasonable time to start selling games only for it. Windows 95 and 3.x did go out, but not for about 3 or 4 years after the release of the next version.
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I wish ms, and computer manufactures did it, backward compatibility is fine to an extent but it's also a massive hidarence, it costs loads to make thinks backward compatible, it also slows down innovation. How many have dual core/hyperthread. Yet how many programs actually use it and how many use it correctly same with 64 bit, I so wish vista was 64bit only.

Every few years they should strive to out the old in favour of new better technology.

semi-pro waster said:
when XP does everything I need and will be supported for a long time to come but when I build a new PC it makes sense to get Vista, simple as that. :)
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not that long Microsoft are pulling the plug in 2008.

Edit- there just going to stop selling it, not drooping support. I swear I read something about dropping support.
 
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XP is hardly out of date! There are even a lot of companies that still use Windows ME, they just dont really have any need to upgrade.

If by buying Vista I would be getting some sort of upgrade for my games, then I would do it. When DX10 games come out, then I will upgrade.

But ATM there is nothing to make me want to upgrade, MS know this but cynically try and force people to do so by releasing old games and making them Vista compatible only. It's taking the pee.

Techy-minded people (with lots of cash) mind not mind upgrading regularly to stay at the cutting edge, but to a lot of us it is a case of 'if it aint broke dont fix it'. Nothing wrong with improving technology, but not at the expense of people who are still rely on the previous incarnations.
 
Fstop11 said:
Good. Im glad they are preventing me from playing Halo 2. Even more reason to go off a PC.

You know your new OS is bad when you're trying to force people to buy it for the sake of a successful game title.
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I thought you were smart Johnny :(

Vista is a superb OS that at the moment is let down by a few niggling driver issues, but the majority of these are ironed out with each successive release.

Just need a few more FPS now and I'll be happy.
 
yah vista is a brilliant os and far more stable than xp. After hours of heavy gamming. i don't need to reset my pc to cure slow down and so on. Also a crash does not mean reset my whole pc. Straight to desktop then straight back into game
 
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