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They will almost certainly make a counter offer, but stick to your guns about having already submitted your notice if you don't accept it as presumably they will try to insist your notice only starts when you refuse their offer.
Handed notice in, not accepted
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Would you be willing to stay at the job if they make a significant offer?
I handed my notice in at a previous employer and was offered a lot of money to stay but my reasons for leaving were more than just money. Of course I was going for more money but I was getting more autonomy as well and not having to be responsible for idiots.
It is highly likely that the higher ups have not accepted the notice because they are scrambling round to discuss you incentives to stay. They can't just manufacture a reason to fire someone, that's illegal and they'd be up for unfair dismissal.
It's frustrating though that it takes someone tendering their notice of resignation for managers to appreciate the true value of their employees and offer them a significant pay rise.
It shows that for all that time they have been exploiting people and paying them less that their true value to the company. Whatever happened to a fair day's work for a fair day's pay?
I handed my notice in at a previous employer and was offered a lot of money to stay but my reasons for leaving were more than just money. Of course I was going for more money but I was getting more autonomy as well and not having to be responsible for idiots.
It is highly likely that the higher ups have not accepted the notice because they are scrambling round to discuss you incentives to stay. They can't just manufacture a reason to fire someone, that's illegal and they'd be up for unfair dismissal.
It's frustrating though that it takes someone tendering their notice of resignation for managers to appreciate the true value of their employees and offer them a significant pay rise.
It shows that for all that time they have been exploiting people and paying them less that their true value to the company. Whatever happened to a fair day's work for a fair day's pay?
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A company that likes to make profit will pay the bare minimum to keep people. Hasn't this always been the way?
sounds like they were basically saying " we are not accepting it at this moment until we have had a chat next week" my guess is they will offer you a promotion/pay rise to get you to stay but after that they cannot make you stay if you decide to leave
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Aye but I'd say that employees are considered more disposable now than in years gone by. There's no such thing as a job for life and all that.
To be fair I think that attitude is driven from employees not employers.
To elaborate on that, I think employees are a lot more likely to jump around. In my industry getting permanent employees is hard there is a very large contractor market too. I think people these days are much more 'selfish' when it comes to their work and their careers. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. Everyone wants to be paid more and companies want to make more. It's just how it is. Gone are the days that your Dad and his Dad and his Dad worked for the local 'X' company. There's no reason to show loyalty to companies as they show none to employees.
I'm generalising of course, not all companies are like that and not all employees are like that. But generally I think is is how the job market is now.
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My opinion on loyalty has changed post recession. We've seen how quickly a company will cast off it's staff at the first sight of a lean spell. Employees are getting smart, they realise that they are expendable so act as mercenaries.
Previously an employee would expect to be taken on by a specific company and have some level of job security. These days it is far more common for companies to sub-contracted work out, job security isn't there so why should an employee show any loyalty to a company that will discard them at the drop of a hat.
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They aren't going to sack you but I'd be asking if it was that important why they could come back to you within a working day with a finger in the air offer and firm it up if you were interested (all within you current notice period). It also depends onif you are in it for the career move or the money. I got a nice £6k payrise once on a leave day when I said I was off for an interview on my day off. took the cash - flipped the interview and stuck around about another 18 months before the career needed the upgrade so moved on then
Just to update the thread it was indeed a counter offer! A very good one with increased salary, promotion with responsibilities I wanted & a few other bits. All handled really well and never felt like they were up to anything. I was already well paid for my current role and had a very good annual salary increase + bonus so it wasn’t money.
All in a busy couple of days and the best possible result for me.
All in a busy couple of days and the best possible result for me.
So I take it from that you're staying at the current place?
Indeed! Happy that I’ve made the right choice and feel more confident that should I want/decide to leave in the future it’s not that hard!
Not exactly surprising that it was a counter offer but if money wasn't the reason why you were leaving was it the other aspects they've now addressed re: promotion and responsibilities? I assume they've at least exceeded or matched the salary offer from the other firm. (It could still be worth going back to the recruiter/other firm and seeing if they'd now offer more - or at least would be if it was down to money)
take another look around in 6 months to 1 year, now you've got a higher base and more responsibility your offers to jump ship ought to be even higher
Once you've handed in your notice - they will NEVER let you forget it.....
Good luck but it shouldn't take an employer being over a barrel before they improve an employee's situation. Sounds like they just couldn't be arsed looking for a replacement.
I think you've mentally made the choice to leave by resigning - why stay now.
Good luck but it shouldn't take an employer being over a barrel before they improve an employee's situation. Sounds like they just couldn't be arsed looking for a replacement.
I think you've mentally made the choice to leave by resigning - why stay now.
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I would agree with you if it was just a money thing, but when a company offers you a promotion that's a different story. If I had someone in my team who was offered a more senior role somewhere else and I could match that, I certainly wouldn't hold a grudge and I'd gladly promote them if they were good. If it was just them leaving purely for money I'd let them go, but that doesn't sound like what happened in the case of the OP.
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So did a good many of the people we made redundant not so long ago... Half of them we re-hired, via a consultancy, at a massively increased rate. The other half were just let go and we now employ cheap, shoddy contractors to do a half-arsed job that they don't even understand.
Never underestimate the stupidity and short-sightedness of even a long-established company, that thinks it can save a few pennies...!!
There may be a variety of entitlements and terms in his contract that protect his employment, pension, shares, benefits or something, which are all voided upon his dismissal rather than redundancy or resignation.
Definitely seeing a lot more people these days who have learnt this the hard way and have no incentive to put in more than a token effort in a job.
this is just nonsense, they blatantly weren't meeting/delaying in order to sack him and it would be an easy win if they had, you need a reason to sack someone and resigning isn't one - also you can't just 'void' a pension upon dismissal ditto to shares/options that have already vested - as for unvested shares and other benefits - you lose them anyway when you resign
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Blatantly, yes, but that wasn't the question I was addressing, was it?
The question was what benefit a company could have in dismissal over accepting notice...
It could have been that they were just about to serve notice that he is under investigation, being suspended or otherwise in some kind of legal trouble, for which he may want to hold fire and make use of the Union services or some such.
Actually it depends on your contract.
Civil Servants, military and some employees in former public service industries (like ours) can still be stripped of all benefits under a number of conditions, including dismissal, prosecution and also death, the latter obviously covering benefits ordinarily extended to their family.
but this is clearly irrelevant and not applicable to the OP - again the guy just handed in his notice - the answer to the question of what benefit there would be in sacking him is: none
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But I wasn't even addressing the OP in that point, though, so what does it matter to you?
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