Smurfy said:
Sorry Yewen my point was not to say they could not be sold, but rather the price wont be going up much if any and so saving them to sell seems a waste as while ATX certainly doesn't appear to be being replaced by BTX yet, inevitably at some point ATX will disappear and when it does happen one can only assume it will loose value.
Iv been lucky enough to own a wide variety of ATCS including the usual 101, 201 Black widow and some of the rarer such as ATC 310's and imo they all have a worse build quality than the V series cases. This is somewhat subjective but imo my 101 (the same chassis as the 110) which i grant wasnt a rev 1, wasnt a touch on my V2000 and while the 310 is better than the 101 it still isnt as good as the V2000.
What isnt subjective is cooling, your point seems to be that by putting powerfull 80mm fans in an ATCS you can have it perform better than the majority of the newer cases, id be very surprised if they could match anything today assuming they are in a similar price band, the Lian Li 60/7Plus and the 120mm Front Intake would beat the vast majority of them at similar noise levels and if noise truly isnt an issue then you could simply put a 120mm delta high flow in one and watch as it pulls itself along the desk
Im of the opinion that unless you want the really clean looks of the ATCS range there are better cases. The V series imo has the best build quality of any case iv seen to date and with the obvious cooling advantages of it and the TJ07 i wouldnt go down the ATCS route any more.
But one thing we can agree on is that its a damn shame they stopped making them, the finish on the black widow was easily the nicest finish iv seen on any PC case, it also wouldnt have taken a huge redesign to include 120mm fans which would have been a huge improvement.
Quoting the lot, now heres my reply
I have bought 201b's and 201sx2's for £25 each, now thats cheap considering after a little work what they are worth, ATX will be around for quite a while yet, and there will be years of warning about it being replaced, and it certainly wont be replaced by BTX as that was designed to deal with high termal output processors which is no longer the case.
I have used every V series case bar a 1200b and the v600/v600b (for obvious reasons) and they are by far the best cases available at the moment. Now, for a minute let me do a comparisson.
The ATCS in general beats the V series hands down for looks, they are truely stunning. The cooling on a ATCS is still up to the job of any PC, admittedly it will be a lot louder than a comparable 120mm case. You orginally phrased it as though they could not cool a modern PC, they can cool a modern PC much better than most cases, its only the well designed cases with 120mm fans that can cool to the same level with comparatively low noise levels that beat the ATCS on this front.
My point was not by putting in powerful fans, I was saying that with SilenX 80mm fans all around, a ATCS 110/201 can be made near silent to 120mm fan levels while still providing the cooling for the latest dual core SLI rigs; which in my books does not equate to inferior cooling.
Darting around your post a bit; when you are buying to sell on, you always buy the least desirable cases available and restore them so that they reach the premium that the better examples reachl. Buy low sell high is what you aim for, and the ATCS cases are still in demand, they look the best, are built the best, the V series are built superbly, but they are more prone to resonation than a ATCS (not saying either case is perfect in that front, but the ATCS cases are less prone to it).
The ATCS cases can be beaten by some cases in one or two areas, but never them all. They are the most well rounded cases ever made, with stunning looks, cooling which 6 to 3 years on is still capeable to run anything out, noise levels if you want to rival any case out there without acoustic cladding.
The V series is terrific don't get me wrong, I use a v1000+ for my main rig, and I recommend them a lot on the forums as they truely are stunning examples of what can be designed in 2004 and 2005 for the + version. But if I was building a PC to live with for ever, the case I would choose would be a 2001 ATCS 110 sx1.
V series is great, will be classics some of them. But the ATCS cases are legends; sad I know but they have there fan base because they were the best, and still fight with the best half a decade later.
