Has anyone been on probation before?

ANDREW GREEN said:
If the crime was violent they will be concerned about potential domestic abuse.

They want to know about your friends in case you have criminal friendships. If they find out you have association with criminals you'll be in the *******.

They want to know about your finances to get an idea if you might be involved in criminal enterprise.
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So you tell them you don't know anybody and have no money. Easy :)
 
BallistixOnZ490 said:
So you tell them you don't know anybody and have no money. Easy :)
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dazzerd said:
I'm sure this has been asked but why not refuse to answer the questions you think are irrelevant/innapropriate?
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None cooporation will see him back in court. So he needs to be seen to be cooperating reasonably.

They're viewing and monitoring as someone who potentially uses knives for violent crime. Domestic abuse is also seen extremely seriously these days. So they'll monitor if someone who is potentially violent is a risk to their family.
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
None cooporation will see him back in court. So he needs to be seen to be cooperating reasonably.

They're viewing and monitoring as someone who potentially uses knives for violent crime. Domestic abuse is also seen extremely seriously these days. So they'll monitor if someone who is potentially violent is a risk to their family.
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Saying you don't know anyone or have no money isn't uncooperative though, you are still answering the questions.
 
BallistixOnZ490 said:
So it was for lock blades only, feel free to sue me for being misinformed if that will make you feel better.

I'm quite sure however that most police won't even know that and will still try to arrest people with a folding knife under 3 inches.
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I'm pretty sure most police will be well aware of knife laws :rolleyes:
 
shadow_boxer said:
What's the laws standpoint on multitools. I'm not a tradesmen but I do keep a leatherman multitool in my car glovebox for emergencies?
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As long as it's a non locking blade with a cutting edge under 3" it's legal to carry.

I have a Swiss Army knife in my bag, comes in quite handy at times.
 
tom_e said:
I'm pretty sure most police will be well aware of knife laws :rolleyes:
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Sure, when they have little to no legal training or education. All these police misconduct lawyers exist for absolutely no reason at all.

If you want to be safe simply have no pointy things at all outside.

Also NEVER claim that anything you do possess is for 'self defense', or off to jail you go.
 
BallistixOnZ490 said:
Sure, when they have little to no legal training or education. All these police misconduct lawyers exist for absolutely no reason at all.
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I'd agree with you when it comes to a lot of the more niche laws or ones that get a bit complex but knife legislation is relatively straight forward and has been at the forefront of many policing initiatives in recent years.
 
tom_e said:
I'd agree with you when it comes to a lot of the more niche laws or ones that get a bit complex but knife legislation is relatively straight forward and has been at the forefront of many policing initiatives in recent years.
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So has racial equity training and BLM type stuff but police officers still kneel / chant free palestine etc.

They are mostly dummies with minimal training, and you are gambling any time you speak to a police officer on whether or not they even remember anything they were trained. Most of them don't even have the mental capacity to pass A levels.
 
BallistixOnZ490 said:
Most police officers weren't recruited in the last few years.
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No, but they've tended to require at the very least multiple GCSE's then several years of training, if not A levels and then training, or similar qualifications for a long time...
Oddly enough you don't just join the police force then go straight out onto the street, but need to complete a lot of training which includes the relevant aspects of the law, and have done so for decades.

And it really doesn't require massive legal training to understand the law as it applies on the street, even most qualified and experienced lawyers only know the details to one or two fairly specialist fields, you really don't want to go to the guy who deals with wills if you've got an assault case pending, likewise you probably don't want to go to a lawyer who specialises in murder trials if you've got a complicated business contract that needs written up.

As others have said the law in regards to knives is really, really simple, it's been simple enough that I, with no real interest in knives have been aware of it since I was a teen, which is quite a long time ago and it hasn't really changed since, and if you're a fan of knives or a knife collector it really does fall upon you to know the law in regards to the handling and transport of them (in the same way a driver is expected to know at the very least the main parts of the highway code).

It's also worth noting that if you ever tell the police you're carrying anything for "self defence" they're likely going to have some serious questions for you, because you're not allowed to carry weapons and anything you plan on using for "self defence" is by definition going to be classed as a weapon, let alone a knife. They're also going to be interesting in why exactly you feel that urge for self defence and if it's specific enough you need a weapon why you haven't possibly gone to them.
 
Werewolf said:
No, but they've tended to require at the very least multiple GCSE's then several years of training, if not A levels and then training, or similar qualifications for a long time...
Oddly enough you don't just join the police force then go straight out onto the street, but need to complete a lot of training which includes the relevant aspects of the law, and have done so for decades.

And it really doesn't require massive legal training to understand the law as it applies on the street, even most qualified and experienced lawyers only know the details to one or two fairly specialist fields, you really don't want to go to the guy who deals with wills if you've got an assault case pending, likewise you probably don't want to go to a lawyer who specialises in murder trials if you've got a complicated business contract that needs written up.

As others have said the law in regards to knives is really, really simple, it's been simple enough that I, with no real interest in knives have been aware of it since I was a teen, which is quite a long time ago and it hasn't really changed since, and if you're a fan of knives or a knife collector it really does fall upon you to know the law in regards to the handling and transport of them (in the same way a driver is expected to know at the very least the main parts of the highway code).

It's also worth noting that if you ever tell the police you're carrying anything for "self defence" they're likely going to have some serious questions for you, because you're not allowed to carry weapons and anything you plan on using for "self defence" is by definition going to be classed as a weapon, let alone a knife. They're also going to be interesting in why exactly you feel that urge for self defence and if it's specific enough you need a weapon why you haven't possibly gone to them.
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This is why uk laws are so much mire logical than over the pond wuth regards to needing self defense
 
Werewolf said:
No, but they've tended to require at the very least multiple GCSE's then several years of training, if not A levels and then training, or similar qualifications for a long time...
Oddly enough you don't just join the police force then go straight out onto the street, but need to complete a lot of training which includes the relevant aspects of the law, and have done so for decades.

And it really doesn't require massive legal training to understand the law as it applies on the street, even most qualified and experienced lawyers only know the details to one or two fairly specialist fields, you really don't want to go to the guy who deals with wills if you've got an assault case pending, likewise you probably don't want to go to a lawyer who specialises in murder trials if you've got a complicated business contract that needs written up.

As others have said the law in regards to knives is really, really simple, it's been simple enough that I, with no real interest in knives have been aware of it since I was a teen, which is quite a long time ago and it hasn't really changed since, and if you're a fan of knives or a knife collector it really does fall upon you to know the law in regards to the handling and transport of them (in the same way a driver is expected to know at the very least the main parts of the highway code).

It's also worth noting that if you ever tell the police you're carrying anything for "self defence" they're likely going to have some serious questions for you, because you're not allowed to carry weapons and anything you plan on using for "self defence" is by definition going to be classed as a weapon, let alone a knife. They're also going to be interesting in why exactly you feel that urge for self defence and if it's specific enough you need a weapon why you haven't possibly gone to them.
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You haven't needed any formal qualification to join the police (until recent times I guess). And a lot of specials get very little training before landing in the real world.

The sentiment of the post makes sense though. They aren't what that other chap makes out, at all.
 
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