The modern day petrol car is almost as efficient as diesels nowadays. The amount of diesels on the road compared to petrol far out weighs them. Think of the buses, vans, lorries, farm vehicles and trains that pump diesel into the atmosphere.
Have Environment Issues Caused a Change in Your Behaviour?
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Almost, but not quite. Which means more fuel used, which means more CO2 released and it's this which drives climate change. The local air quality considerations are valid but they are not climate change issues. Choosing petrol over diesel for local air quality reasons may be a valid decision but it isn't to aid efforts against climate change.
That said, in terms of like for like vehicle/engine combinations I have yet to drive a car in petrol form which is almost as efficient is the direct diesel equivalent. One of our cars is a petrol Mini Cooper - the current model - and it is remarkably efficient for what it is, regularly returning over 50mpg on Motorway runs. But the diesel version is more efficient still and therefore has lower CO2 emissions..
The anti-diesel drive means that, in the short term, we are making less progress towards reducing Co2 emissions. Petrol is NOT the climate-change saving answer to diesel.
If you powered all those buses, vans, lorries, farm vehicles and trains with petrol you'd see emissions go through the roof!!
has anyone give a serious adjudication on Nox, No2, NP, in diesel cars ? if all the people are impacted by breathing/cancer issues ... and the indirect impact of that ?
I hadn't appreciated how bad diesels are unless you have euro 6D https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6722398/pdf/main.pdf
how often, like the fat is bad for you meme, do we discover we were sold a dummy.
We’ve bought various things to make our house more environmentally sound not particularly with a saving money view. Brand new weather compensating boiler, ultra efficient LED lighting everywhere, wall and loft insulation and we run the heating on the cool side in winter and wrap up in the house if needed. None of these are ever likely to pay for themselves but our energy usage as dropped significantly. We get all our veg and produce from Riverford which uses recycled packing (paper bags mostly) and it’s local seasonal fruit and veg so we make do with what they deliver.
We also grow lots of genuinely wild flowers in the garden and try and keep it as a natural haven for birds and insects.
the environmental issues have definitely made us think about doing all of this.
We also grow lots of genuinely wild flowers in the garden and try and keep it as a natural haven for birds and insects.
the environmental issues have definitely made us think about doing all of this.
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No I haven't.
Quite frankly I don't need to hear it and your overweight house cat probably has more of an impact that I do.
Quite frankly I don't need to hear it and your overweight house cat probably has more of an impact that I do.
Debatable but anyway the title of ‘environmental issues’ is quite broad and open to interpretation.
We lost that in this country due to government subsidies whereby farmers were made rich by growing things we don't need and those that do focus on the foods we need are generally very poor. Fruit, dairy and many cattle farmers are circle the drain whereby growing things like rapeseed can be highly profitable.
has anyone give a serious adjudication on Nox, No2, NP, in diesel cars ? if all the people are impacted by breathing/cancer issues ... and the indirect impact of that ?
I hadn't appreciated how bad diesels are unless you have euro 6D https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6722398/pdf/main.pdf
equally, as commented earlier, not sure if the human environmental cost of extracting materials for electric cars is fully considered either.
how often, like the fat is bad for you meme, do we discover we were sold a dummy.
Aside from the human issues, I see people pushing electric cars all the time now as if they are so much better than petrol cars, however I haven't seen any real comparison of the harmful emissions and usage of finite resources that go into producing electric cars, in particular the batteries which appear to last 4 years then need replacing, and the fuel used to generate the electricity that charges the batteries. If we can be sure that all of the power used to charge them up is generated using clean methods then fair enough, but I'm guessing it isn't. The raw materials that go into the batteries is another issue because they are going to run out at some stage, but again I haven't seen any real data regarding this.
I am still yet to be convinced about it all so sticking with my petrol car for the time being.
I would say I'm generally pretty good, I recycle everything I can and donate unwanted low value things to charity or sell on more expensive items. I also walk to work, although that's only because my office is under a 10 minute walk.
There's definitely more I could do though, although I'm not sure if it makes a difference unless others on a large scale are doing it (appreciate that thought process is a vicious circle though).
For example, switching to soap bars and paper wrapped stick deodorants but much prefer shower gel over soap. There's also soap nuts for using in the washing machine that a colleague was telling me about.
I also can't fathom why the government has not banned leaflet advertising yet. Appreciate older people who don't use the internet will lose out but how many tens to hundreds of thousands of these leaflets are in circulation every day? Yes they're paper and can be recycled but there's a carbon footprint to the production and recycling.
There's definitely more I could do though, although I'm not sure if it makes a difference unless others on a large scale are doing it (appreciate that thought process is a vicious circle though).
For example, switching to soap bars and paper wrapped stick deodorants but much prefer shower gel over soap. There's also soap nuts for using in the washing machine that a colleague was telling me about.
I also can't fathom why the government has not banned leaflet advertising yet. Appreciate older people who don't use the internet will lose out but how many tens to hundreds of thousands of these leaflets are in circulation every day? Yes they're paper and can be recycled but there's a carbon footprint to the production and recycling.
Electric cars are more about improving the local environment in cities and Large urban areas, not about being a panacea for everything.
Electric can be produced by countless other better ways and not every vehicle is carrying around of 70 litres of hydrocarbon based fuel.
Its a step in the right way.
Electric can be produced by countless other better ways and not every vehicle is carrying around of 70 litres of hydrocarbon based fuel.
Its a step in the right way.
I mean it is now... it wasn't in the past, but a minority of people are going on so many flights per year they're basically single-handedly the worst people.
As i say, heavily tax holidays, that's money that can be used in this country instead, patriots should enjoy that no?
Without me having to google, which i probably will now anyway. What is it that makes flying so hideous.
Jet fuel is Kerosene right? Very high octane "petrol" for use of a better/correct word. Just how much fuel does a plane use to make it worse than say a 2 liter family car.
Can anyone link me to a good no biased site about all this?
Im having 4 flights at xmas and would just be interested how close i am to Hitler? Ive paid my penance in other ways so?!
Jet fuel is Kerosene right? Very high octane "petrol" for use of a better/correct word. Just how much fuel does a plane use to make it worse than say a 2 liter family car.
Can anyone link me to a good no biased site about all this?
Im having 4 flights at xmas and would just be interested how close i am to Hitler? Ive paid my penance in other ways so?!
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moving to a new area near a dual carriageway has made me hate the car so much more. what would be a nice seaside location is cursed by hundreds of cars going up and down, never ending
of course i am one of those people but i need to drive on the road to get to work etc catch 22 and all that
im now a lot more in favour of things that get people out of their cars like work from home or better public transport. also lowering speed limits and electric hybrid cars that would reduce noise
of course i am one of those people but i need to drive on the road to get to work etc catch 22 and all that
im now a lot more in favour of things that get people out of their cars like work from home or better public transport. also lowering speed limits and electric hybrid cars that would reduce noise
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Few minor changes but nothing major. I try to recycle most things to limit landfill waste and have changed many of lights to LED. We try to be sensible as to how often we turn on the heating and ensured decent loft insulation. The car, however, is my guilty pleasure but will be looking a hybrid next time round.
Are you an aviation person or very knowledgeable?
im doing a 1h10m in 737-800
then 2h10m 737-800
then 2h30m Airbus 320
then 3h10m 737-800
then 1h10m 737-800
wow its 5 i cant even count.
Yes it is, worked on sugary drinks (sugar reduced), alcohol abuse in Scotland when minimum pricing came in (not a tax, but still), tobacco/smoking tax works (https://www.who.int/tobacco/mpower/publications/en_tfi_mpower_brochure_r.pdf), plastic bag costs...
We already had people moaning about how expensive flights are with TC's collapse, just make that the average cost instead by tax, and people will reduce their expenditure on it or spend locally.
*apparently too obscene*
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