HD, BluRay?

ianh said:
HD DVD and Blu-Ray movies looked and sounded identical (had both - now got a LG HD DVD/Blu-Ray combo PC drive on my Media Centre) but since the HD DVD format has stopped being made and ONLY Blu-Ray players are sold any more I'd get the Blu-Ray version.

Having had both formats I can say without bias that HD-DVD had many advantages over Blu-Ray (region free, no need to upgrade firmware, lower price) whilst Blu-Ray only had the PS3 and greater disc capacity (still not fully used) as it's only advantages. Pity the world makes stupid decisions :(
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I agree. HD DVD was the better format but as with betamax/vhs the best one doesn't always win (betamax was superior quality to vhs)

Having a dual hd/blueray player is nice though as I keep picking up cheap hd dvd's for under £4. :D
 
Chris1712 said:
Well there is FA 1080p/60 source material, seeing as 99% of films are 24fps. The only stuff you'll get in 1080p/60 is documentaries or maybe sport and its very very uncommon. There is no need for it.

1080p/60 is part of the BR spec but theres simply nothing out there that needs it.

Its not going to 'scale' your fps if your tv supports 1080/24, as most will nowadays to avoid pulldown judder.
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Thanks for the info chris :)
I have just found these

1080p/60 is essentially the same frame repeated twice every 30th of a second. (enhanced video frame rate).

1080p/30 is the same frame displayed once every 30th of a second. (standard live or recorded video frame rate).

1080p/24 is the same frame displayed every 24th of a second (standard motion picture film frame rate)

I can't see the point of doing 1080P/24 when a lot of HD TVs can do the 1080P/60
 
deuse said:
Nope..
The PS3 and most BR players are 1080p/24 which the hardware will upscale it to your HD tv.
Now TRUE HD is 1080p/60 and the only way to find out if your tv is 1080p/60 is to try to play a 1080p/60 film.

This is how I understand it anyway.
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As stated, most films are 1080P/24 not /60 - so they are running at full resolution and speed.

Rich

/EDIT - you saw the reply! Ignore!

/EDIT2 - saw your reply - a lot of films are shot at 24p as it gives that film effect, if you saw the same scene in a film shot in 24 and 60 - they'd look totally different.

Rich
 
deuse said:
Thanks for the info chris :)
I have just found these

1080p/60 is essentially the same frame repeated twice every 30th of a second. (enhanced video frame rate).

1080p/30 is the same frame displayed once every 30th of a second. (standard live or recorded video frame rate).

1080p/24 is the same frame displayed every 24th of a second (standard motion picture film frame rate)

I can't see the point of doing 1080P/24 when a lot of HD TVs can do the 1080P/60
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Because Films are 24! You start playing a film at 60 and its either sped up or has to use 3:2 Pulldown. This has been a problem for YEARS on DVD's beforehand, and finally native 24p material sorts it out.

Sure, it would be nice to have maybe some soprt in 1080p/60, and thats the kind of material that would benefit from the higher speed. But its only going to work if its recorded in that speed, and most broadcast is not. While we're at it, consider the extra storage required for over double the frames. This is why MVC (a new offshoot of AVC) has been chosen for 3D encoding, through some magical encoding its able to supply the double frames of 3D (48p) with only 50% more space.

If memory serves, planet earth is 1080i/50/60? So if your desperate to see some grab that.
 
HD-DVD had its place with me at least. £20 for a HD drive for my Xbox 360, about 50 films at no more than £3 a pop.

Once I've watched them I'll shift them on (someone will buy them, I mean laser discs still sell on the bay for a few quid) = cheaper than a blueray player and couple of films.
 
deuse said:
I can't see the point of doing 1080P/24 when a lot of HD TVs can do the 1080P/60
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Because the films are shot at 24 fps? If you display them on a TV that doesn't support 1080P/24 you get judder.

Though the only thing I currently hate about Blu Ray is Disney ones that put about 20 minutes of trailers at the beginning of all of theirs, least they are skippable though.
 
deuse said:
Nope..
The PS3 and most BR players are 1080p/24 which the hardware will upscale it to your HD tv.
Now TRUE HD is 1080p/60 and the only way to find out if your tv is 1080p/60 is to try to play a 1080p/60 film.

This is how I understand it anyway.
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Depends on your view point most filmophiles (?) demand 24 fps as it's the rate a film is played in celluloid iirc.

And iirc you'd have to film the film in digital which would look worse in the cinema to get 60fps.

So no HD is purely the resolution not the fps.
 
deuse said:
Thanks for the info chris :)
I have just found these

1080p/60 is essentially the same frame repeated twice every 30th of a second. (enhanced video frame rate).

1080p/30 is the same frame displayed once every 30th of a second. (standard live or recorded video frame rate).

1080p/24 is the same frame displayed every 24th of a second (standard motion picture film frame rate)

I can't see the point of doing 1080P/24 when a lot of HD TVs can do the 1080P/60
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BEcause then you'd have to use lower quality digital cameras to film your films, which would be worse for the cinema market.

TV stations use digital cameras cause they only need a relativity low resolution. (max of 1080p which is still very low compared the the requirements for cinema)
 
From a consumer point of view, the big difference between HD-DVD and blu-ray was the often missed point that you copy protection on HD-DVD was optional, whereas on blu-ray it's mandatory. There were other advantages that blu-ray caught up with by the time it got to BD2.0, so they aren't really worth mentioning.

It's all irrelevant now, HD-DVD is dead.
 
Bluray copy protection was cracked a few weeks before it's release iirc.

So it's hardly a major issue.
 
Tefal said:
Bluray copy protection was cracked a few weeks before it's release iirc.

So it's hardly a major issue.
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It is when laws are in place making circumvention of copy protection illegal... As they are in the US, the UK and the rest of Europe, at least potentially.
 
Well when the government start scanning my harddrive every other week to check for such programs it will be an issue until then it's a non issue.
 
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