HDMI over IP

lucid said:
For a Sky HD box they already have all that's required. The only additional item would be another Sky Eye for the extra bedroom. That's hardly going to break the bank.
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Wasn't suggesting it would, just making sure the OP was aware because there hadn't been any mention of it.
 
lucid said:
For what you need, the Labgear is overly complicated. I can't check the Toolstation link because their website appears down for I think. maintenance.

Something like this one at £24 would do fine. There might be a version with the push-fit coax aerial connections rather than the screw-on F-type if you look around.
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That one doesn't do IR passthrough.
 
I did a quick search on the rain forest site for "aerial didtribution amps with IR pass-through". This was the first of Amazon's suggestions. I briefly glanced at the blurb and it spoke about distributing Sky, which I must admit I took to be additional confirmation... because, you know, I had searched for aerial amps with IR pass-through, and not aerial amps without IR pass-through.

Anyway, shoot me. Amazon's bum steer and my abject failure as a human being to go to the n'th degree to verify some information when posting a quick reply from my phone over a coffee . Feet of clay and all that nonsense. :grin:

If you have time, why not have a look and suggest something that will work?
 
You're sounding a bit defensive for some reason.

I know *** all about distribution amps as I've never had or needed one.

As I'm involved with this thread I had a quick look at what you'd recommended and spotted the problem. Would you prefer me not to mention it and have the OP buy the wrong thing?

I'm trying to help the OP out, not score points from you.
 
after looking at the hdmi encoder reviews ... not really that good
- the chipsets for doing h264-dvb-t2 are power hungry with metal boxes getting warm (they advertise metal boxes w/o explaining why) , so can't leave on permanently
- unclear if they can remove hdcp, or the hdmi splitter must do that
- I'd go for an mpeg2 one and be restricted to 720p/60 .... 1080i/30

... if you didn't want freeview on the living room to , you could possibly send the encoder back up existing coax to distributor and mix it into existing aeriel input with a channel filter, to allow it to exclusively use some of uhf channels (if you have a gap)
 
Reading the above, I really am very appreciative for all the help and assistance you are all giving, thank you. If nothing else I am learning from this.

Having now read the posts a number of times I have been trying to build a picture (no pun intended) of how it would go together using a modulator and aerial distribution amplifier with IR/Sky remote pass through.

In doing so, I've put together the following diagrams, which are probably wrong in many ways, but I'm hoping you can help me get them right.


Option 1: Edision HDMI Modulator Full HD Distribution over Coax
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Issues/Questions:
  1. I haven't included a Triax Tri Link or Proception modulator, as I'm unsure where or how it would fit in?
  2. How would the TV in the living room connect to this?
  3. I have a '?' coming from the RF In on the modulator. From my understanding reading the posts above I would need to: Connect a new/longer coax cable to aerial feed (in the loft) and connect the other end of that coax cable into RF In on the Edision device? If this is the case, when we say 'aerial feed', are we talking about the old analogue aerials similar to this: http://www.tvaerialsstoke.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/loft-aerial-1.jpg, if so, I thought these were defunct now?


Option 2: Technomate TM-RF HD IR, HDMI RF Modulator with 9V IR Control and HDMI Loopthrough
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Link for this modulator: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0789H7JVD/ref=as_li_tl

Issues/Questions:
  1. Whilst looking at Edision HDMI Modulator, I came upon this youtube video [hyperlink] talking about the Technomate TM-RF HD modulator. Is this better, worse or much the same as the Edision?
  2. If the same, would this not be a better device for my situation as it comes with an HDMI Out that will connect to the television in the living room and IR pass through (I think)?
  3. Same question again, as question 3 under the first diagram above regarding the 'RF Input'.

Additional:
I have used the PROview aerial distribution amplifier (https://www.toolstation.com/satellite-distribution-amplifier/p31318) as the example amplifier within the diagrams as the text reads "9V IR extender 'eye' power at all outputs. Very popular solution for providing Sky or Sky+ extension to 4 or 8 remote rooms".

However, I'm open to other advice/suggestions.
 
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If you want over the air TV (Freeview) then you'll need an antenna. If you watch all channels through the Sky box you won't.

If you don't need an antenna you can use the single feed you have to connect the modulator to the distribution amplifier. If you do need an antenna it'll need to be connected to the RF in of the modulator which will require another coax cable.
 
bremen1874 said:
If you want over the air TV (Freeview) then you'll need an antenna. If you watch all channels through the Sky box you won't.
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He only watches Sky therefore making things a little easier. Thank you.

bremen1874 said:
If you don't need an antenna you can use the single feed you have to connect the modulator to the distribution amplifier.
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You simply mean I only need the RF Out (i.e. 'single feed')?

I was just watching another youtube video regarding the Edision where he suggests using an Omnilink IR device to control Sky from a remote location. The transmitter would connect between the RF Out on the Edision modular device and and coaxial faceplate in the living room. https://youtu.be/6W78x3VlVio?t=338
 
I should be grateful for any feedback on post #46.

- Would the Technomate be a better option?
- Is the setup in the diagram(s) correct of how it connects?

Thank you.
 
I've never used either of them so can't comment on how well either of them works.

The Technomate does appear to be a more complete solution.

It has HDMI passthrough. That's something you'd need to buy separately for the other one.

It has IR for the remotes built-in. The dongle you have shown in the diagram connecting to the IR port I think is intended for the remote TV end of the connection. They sell them individually for your other TVs. I would imagine that there's something else in the box to plug into the IR port and talk to the Sky box.

The second diagram looks fine (ignoring where you have the IR plugged in).
 
bremen1874 said:
The dongle you have shown in the diagram connecting to the IR port I think is intended for the remote TV end of the connection. They sell them individually for your other TVs. I would imagine that there's something else in the box to plug into the IR port and talk to the Sky box.
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Yes you are right. They don't show it on the Amazon page, but the gentleman in the youtube video (53 seconds in) shows it when he opens the box.

In the text they have:

Watch on Multiple TVs Infra-Red:
Requires a mains powered amplifier/splitter, also known as a bypass amplifier/splitter which can send the 9V IR Infra-Red remote control signal so that you can control the source device via remote control at every TV. The Technomate TM-AMP B models are compatible. Additional Infra-Red Receivers ("Magic Eyes") are also available.

Passive Splitter:
Requires a dc pass splitter to split the audio/video to multiple TVs.
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Do they mean one of these? https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=dc+pass+splitter and if so, where in the diagram would it sit please?
 
bremen1874 said:
I'd assume they're talking about the distribution amplifier you already have in your diagram.
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Ah, that makes sense. Thank you.

On a side note, I am reading some of the comments about the Techomate and the first few suggest they are using this to distribute SkyQ to their other televisions around the house via coax.

I've dismissed using SkyQ now, but it sounds as though he Techno should do the trick if and when he does get a SkyQ box.
 
This is quite an interesting thread on the Edison https://www.avforums.com/threads/edision-modulator.1963912/page-6
if you were going to need freeview too, it explains how you should connect it up ... to avoid the edison undesirably amplifying the regular freeview
also some people have problems with getting the audio ... which seems unexplained ... maybe they are not outputting PCM, or something, from skyQ.


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would be really nice ..if I believed the tech was mature ... any smart tv with plex say, or phone could grab the video stream ]
 
Another question if I may.

The television in the bedroom is an LG 32LD450 - https://www.whathifi.com/lg/32ld450/overview - 1080p
The television in the guest room is an LG 26LH2000 - https://www.whathifi.com/lg/26lh2000/overview - 720p


Looking at the notes for the Technomate it reads:

Installation Notes
Compatibility: please note that this only works on 1080p Full HD & 4K UHD TVs. If your TV is 720p HD Ready, it will not work directly however, you can use a Freeview HD box (DVB-T2 box) with the TM-RF HD IR to make it work on an HD Ready TV.
Lip Sync: the TM-RF HD IR has been tested with many devices such as Sky, Virgin, BT, Blu-ray Players, Playstation, Xbox and there are no issues. If you are having issues, please contact Technomate Support.​


So, the LG 32LD450 should work fine with this device (I think?).

However, as the LG 26LH2000 is only 720p I would need a Freeview HD box. Something like this? https://www.amazon.co.uk/HD-Recorde...er-Black/dp/B01MZ3RL5B/ref=asc_df_B01MZ3RL5B/?

The setup therefore would be: A coaxial cable would come out of the coaxial faceplate (in the guest room), into the Magic Eye receiver. Another coaxial cable would come out of the Magic Eye into the Freeview HD box. An HDMI cable would then connect the Freeview box into the LG 26LH2000 television?
 
jamost said:
The setup therefore would be: A coaxial cable would come out of the coaxial faceplate (in the guest room), into the Magic Eye receiver. Another coaxial cable would come out of the Magic Eye into the Freeview HD box. An HDMI cable would then connect the Freeview box into the LG 26LH2000 television?
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Sounds about right.

As this becomes more complicated your original plan with the Ethernet senders is looking more attractive. You could order it and test the IR remote functionality.
 
bremen1874 said:
As this becomes more complicated your original plan with the Ethernet senders is looking more attractive. You could order it and test the IR remote functionality.
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haha, that made me laugh! I was thinking the same while drawing the earlier diagrams. More cost effective too!

However, the Technomate method would:
  • Allow for another TV to be added to any room that has a coaxial flaceplate + the additional cost for a Magic Eye & remote
  • The potential for it to be used with SkyQ (from reading people's comments here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0789H7JVD/ref=as_li_tl
  • Prevent the need to add a 40 meter and (now) 30 meter (I re-measured the distance) Cat-6 Ethernet cabling going around the house (I don't mind doing this in truth)
 
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After much um'ing and ah'ing, I'm leaning towards trying the Technomate.

A final few questions:
  1. Will an HD image go through this cabling (coax) to the televisions?
  2. Do I need to be on the lookout for specifics in the quality of the coax cables (between the televisions and faceplate)?
  3. Similar to the above question, is there a noticeable quality different in the type F connectors when viewing the picture on a television?
Many thanks
 
don't get it, if you don't need freeview, with techno, the guest+master would watch same program at same time ?
so can't you just run one cat6 internally to an intermediate point/connection, and connect it to either guest or bedroom as needed,
(if you did want freeview, with techno, the connection techniqure in the thread I ref'd would be needed)

audio&picture pq on the cat would be better. ... technomate 48Khz sample on audio maybe disappointing
 
With respect to the remote controlling of the sky box (if you do go sky q), what I have done is got the 2tb sky q box, is simply take the bluetooth remote to the bedroom, and left the non bt remote local to the box.

This works fine for me. I can fully control the skyq box in the bedroom, and control the volume of the bedroom tv with thay remote, meanwhile the regular ir remote in the lounge does the exact same thing in the lounge.

I couldn't get the ir blasters to work for my setup, but this works great.

I also have a q mini box in my cinema though, and it uses it's own remote.
 
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