Hdr

[MOOGLEYS]

See the following:

Stranger Things - hardly any difference. The clouds on HDR actually look worse.

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Windows before and after. Total disaster of colour

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Destiny 2. The HDR photo actually makes it look OK. On screen you can't tell wtf is in the darkness.

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What are your TV settings in HDR mode. You have enabled HDMI deep colour for each input ?

 

[MOOGLEYS]

Are you saying my TV is configured wrong compared to yours? Got any photos?

No idea but mine looks fantastic with great gains seen in HDR when it’s used well. It does sound like yours is not set up very well.

Post up your settings and I will compare to mine later this evening when I’m back.

 

[antijoke]

Any comments on the above?

Configured wrongly? I thought OLED should be great for HDR.

Why?

It’s not just 10 bit panels either, it’s how they light up the screen and how they control the brightness of the scene. It’s all pretty amazing but cheaper TVs just don’t cut the mustard because they don’t have the processing ability that more expensive TVs do.

 

[D3K]

What are your TV settings in HDR mode. You have enabled HDMI deep colour for each input ?

Yes it wouldnt switch on in Windows if it were not enabled on that input.

No idea but mine looks fantastic with great gains seen in HDR when it’s used well. It does sound like yours is not set up very well.

I've ran this out of the box, and against other recommendations on the net. There is not a lot of control over the settings to be honest so we can't be too far from each other.

My experience so far is that HDR does not offer a major upgrade in colour vibrancy compared to the upgrade to OLED.
It does replicate the way our eyes perceive darkness against bright sources, but that's actually a flaw in our senses.
Why would I want to gimp my vision on screen, just because it looks more like real life? When you have that experience in real life, you automatically try to block out the brightness so you can see the detail in the darkness.

If you're coming from a TN panel to something with HDR, I'm sure it will look amazing in contrast. Whenever I've been watching TV/playing a game on the OLED, I feel this monitor is quite flat in colour. And it's a beast of an IPS.

 

[antijoke]

Yes it wouldnt switch on in Windows if it were not enabled on that input.

I've ran this out of the box, and against other recommendations on the net. There is not a lot of control over the settings to be honest so we can't be too far from each other.

My experience so far is that HDR does not offer a major upgrade in colour vibrancy compared to the upgrade to OLED.
It does replicate the way our eyes perceive darkness against bright sources, but that's actually a flaw in our senses.
Why would I want to gimp my vision on screen, just because it looks more like real life? When you have that experience in real life, you automatically try to block out the brightness so you can see the detail in the darkness.

If you're coming from a TN panel to something with HDR, I'm sure it will look amazing in contrast. Whenever I've been watching TV/playing a game on the OLED, I feel this monitor is quite flat in colour. And it's a beast of an IPS.

What sources are you using for HDR content? Just Netflix/other streaming sources? What’s your internet like? Do you have an HDR player?

 

[D3K]

What sources are you using for HDR content? Just Netflix/other streaming sources? What’s your internet like? Do you have an HDR player?

Netflix and PC. Internet is 200mb.

 

[MOOGLEYS]

I do not use a PC with mine but the Xbox and PS4 both look stunning in HDR in games that support it well with very noticeable gains over SDR. Horizon 3 is a good one....

If you want to see HDR in full OLED glory watch either a Planet Earth 2 or Blue Planet on 4K Blu-Ray. It’s by far the best usage I have seen.

 

[MOOGLEYS]

Netflix and PC. Internet is 200mb.

That’s your problem neither is really great at showing HDR well...

On netflix try the new Star-Trek series that had very obvious HDR content. You could get a Prime trial and watch The Grand Tour that worked quite well too.

Are you using the TV app for Netflix and not through PC ?

 

[D3K]

That’s your problem neither is really great at showing HDR well...

On netflix try the new Star-Trek series that had very obvious HDR content.

I'm trying to find reasons not to buy a ps4 and here you are giving me reasons to do just that

 

[MOOGLEYS]

I'm trying to find reasons not to buy a ps4 and here you are giving me reasons to do just that

You need a PS4 Pro really with a 4K tv mate.... lol

 

[D3K]

You need a PS4 Pro really mate.... lol

I'll see what they say at E3, I don't need a jet engine in my living room in summer

 

[MOOGLEYS]

I'll see what they say at E3, I don't need a jet engine in my living room in summer

Get a One X they are a bit quieter....

 

[antijoke]

Netflix and PC. Internet is 200mb.

Yeah, this is your problem as moogley said they aren’t great sources. Nothing will match an HDR blu ray.

 

[malachi]

Then that’s because your TV ain’t all that hot with HDR sadly.

I know, I would have gone full blown OLED with proper HDR but this was a cheap replacement for my bedroom TV.

Doesn't help aswell I have not the best eyes even with glasses. Im one of the few in the world who can't see 3D when it was hot.

 

[JediFragger]

Got an LG OLED B7, HDR is a bit 'meh' for me so far. It's nice at times but certainly no game-changer.

 

[BGGLP]

Referring to gaming primarily although hdr video is also mind-blowingly good. Netflix has some really great hdr implementation; Altered Carbon is stunningly good! My tv is a Samsung 55KS8000. Nothing but praise for the tv tbh all things considered. HDR gaming is revolutionary in its improvement over non-hdr games. I directly tested this with games like God Of War and Horizon Zero Dawn and the colour palette is vastly increased over sdr. The richness of the colours is so dramatic and the differences between light and dark are so impactful. This really hit me when I replayed Uncharted 4 again last year and it was incredible. I find SDR games totally lacking now to the point where I’m really underwhelmed.

4K resolution for film/video is no big deal as good quality high bitrate 1080p upscales nearly as well. However for gaming ideally 1800p is what’s needed to reduce upscaling artefacts although 1440p on the pro games still gives a very noticeable upgrade over 1080p. Obviously the game’s that really shine are 4K (native or CB). Checkerboard rendering if done well is barely any different to native and God Of War is a great example of this. Be nice to see this being used a lot more in games by devs rather than an arbitrary 1440p res upgrade.

 

[BGGLP]

Got an LG OLED B7, HDR is a bit 'meh' for me so far. It's nice at times but certainly no game-changer.

Surely not so on games though right? PS4 pro well implemented hdr games such as HZD, GOW, AC origins, Uncharted4 and LL, wipeout, GT sport, FIFA 18, Detroit, Farcry 5, TLOU, SOTC are night and day difference above the game running in SDR for me on my tv.

 

[MrRockliffe]

Because HDR is not just brightness it’s greater shades of colouring and over 1 billion colours. A 10 bit panel is capable of showing this as intended.

But 8 bit + frc already improves gradients on colours, so in reality, you're only getting a wider colour space, which makes little difference because your eyes can't distinguish 1.07 billion colours.

I would argue a 10 bit panel is irrelevant. The XE8596 is a great example. Many were lead to believe it's a 10 Bit panel, yet some sites mention it uses 8 Bit + frc, however that's only a recent thing, and people have been recommending the TV in the sub 1K bracket for ages, and still do, even though there are other HDR TVs that have 10 bit colour. It makes such a small, imperceivable difference (if any), that there are so many other factors that can make one TV better than another.

The biggest impact you can have on HDR is the contrast, so essentially if it's not an OLED or LCD with FALD, you're going to be hard pushed to see a difference with HDR. It might make everything brighter, but the accuracy is non existent.

I can't stand the 10 bit Vs 8 bit argument - it's boring and is thrown around like it makes a perceivable difference. There are considerably more things that affect an HDR experience.

 

[MOOGLEYS]

The human eye can see considerably more colours than 16.8 million that is the max of an 8 bit display. I agree contrast makes a big difference and being able to display over a billion colours gives a much better contrast ratio hence why HDR works better on a true 10 bit panel.

Tbh a lot of HDR content looks poor due to it really needing to be set up to display at its best or the source material being of poor quality.

HDR is still a pretty new (On TV’s) and confusing standard with wildly different results between manufacturers and claimed HDR capable tv’s. A HDR premium or Dolby Vision certified tv is a good place to start but it will still need setting up and configuring to get the best from it and a decent source in the first place.

 

[stoofa]

HDR makes a bigger impact on things than 4k. I didn't go the OLED route this time around for a number of reasons - but my Sony XE93 with that beautiful 1000 nits brightness with HDR makes things come alive. When you see those contrasts between the blackest blacks and brightest brights.
I've experienced both HDR10 and Dolby Vision (the latter with something like Altered Carbon is just something amazing).
This is with streamed sources and PS4 Pro gaming, so god only knows how stunning it would be if I have a UHD player.