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Not enough for highly mortgaged homeowners imo. Should be prepared to leave everyone as debt free homeowners or forget it and go for Boris Island.
Heathrow third runway question
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Not enough for highly mortgaged homeowners imo. Should be prepared to leave everyone as debt free homeowners or forget it and go for Boris Island.
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People to the west of London could use Birmingham or Manchester (which actually serves more destinations than Heathrow IIRC) if we had an efficient transport network.
The problem would be the struggle to find new homes in similar proximity to London, not walking away saddled with debt, especially with the increases to London property prices.
Hopefully that will kill off the ridiculously overpriced Heathrow Express service that nobody ever uses. Boris has also promised that Crossrail will use Oyster zone fares, so seen as Heathrow is in zone 6 I wonder how that will work. At the moment you're not allowed to use your Oyster on the FGW trains out of Paddington, I believe. Hence why every sodding tourist gets on my Piccadilly line trains and fills it up with their 12 kids and 15 suitcases.. argh!
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Now we have spent 3 years and god knows how much bickering about it can we just get on with it? No one can make a decision and the report says Heathrow.
Londoners struggle to travel anywhere outside of the M25 ring.
You can use an Oyster on First Great Western up to Southall
Sorry, I meant the FGW out of Paddington to Heathrow. I regularly use my Oyster card Ealing Broadway > Paddington or vice versa so I know you can do it. Just not to Heathrow, even though it's in zone 6.
Unlikely. They didn't give the option the time it deserved, ruling it out straight away (so we all knew it wasn't going to be in the final report). Boris is also going to have a bigger voice in government now and DC had previously ruled out expansion of Heathrow.
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It wouldn't make sense for TfL not to have CRL on the Oyster scheme. So they probably won't do it!
The proposal to carry on upgrading Heathrow or any airport that is constricted by a City close by is short sighted IMO.
An estuarine development to my thinking has a lot of potential.
1. Away from major developments. Much less over flight necessary for London
2. A potential river access corridor to London or to a transport hub on the river east of London.
3. Potential for lagoon storage and tidal barrage energy solution included.
4. Primarily to be a passenger airport with existing Heathrow primarily used for freight with existing M4 / M25 / Rail links.
5. Scrap HS2 Heathrow link.
All the above is an engineering flight of fancy to some extent, but we as a country need to be bolder and more joined up in our thinking than just reinventing the same solutions and cramming infrastructure into narrower corridors each time. Airports should be away from population centres.
I am a practising Civil Engineer.
An estuarine development to my thinking has a lot of potential.
1. Away from major developments. Much less over flight necessary for London
2. A potential river access corridor to London or to a transport hub on the river east of London.
3. Potential for lagoon storage and tidal barrage energy solution included.
4. Primarily to be a passenger airport with existing Heathrow primarily used for freight with existing M4 / M25 / Rail links.
5. Scrap HS2 Heathrow link.
All the above is an engineering flight of fancy to some extent, but we as a country need to be bolder and more joined up in our thinking than just reinventing the same solutions and cramming infrastructure into narrower corridors each time. Airports should be away from population centres.
I am a practising Civil Engineer.
Exactly. Crossrail will make it easy for people coming from the likes of Reading to get to a new airport and Reading station has great links to the rest of the west of the country.
You can get from Liverpool and Manchester lines to London in 2 hours.
I really need to read more on the environmental impact of the island though.
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Turn all the other airports into conservation areas for the displaced wildlife... problem solved.
Until the wreck of the SS Richard Mongomery is sorted out building an airport in the Thames is very risky.
The chances of an explosion are remote these days, but I don't know if terrorists could make a explosion happen.
Come to think of it, I wonder why they haven't tried already!
The chances of an explosion are remote these days, but I don't know if terrorists could make a explosion happen.
Come to think of it, I wonder why they haven't tried already!
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The only credible alternative was an entirely new airport - the talk of expanding non-Heathrow airports was always pointless as it misses the point that Heathrow is a major international hub - unless you convince an entire airline alliance to move entirely to, say, Birmingham its a total non-starter as the connections wouldn't work.
That leaves either expanding Heathrow or building an entirely new airport to replace Heathrow and moving all carriers to it.
Building a new airport would be lovely but Heathrow already has all the infrastructure in place and we've already spent billions upgrading it as it is - what a colossal waste of money to shut it down and demolish it after the construction of Terminal 2 and Terminal 5?
There are obvious downsides to a third runway - but then there are downsides to every option. Whilst the effect on those in the flight path is regrettable the airport was there first and it's important that we have the connectivity we need (and attract valuable connecting passengers, too).
This has dragged on for too long, they need to make the decision and get it done. I can't imagine any other country would have faffed about for so long.
That leaves either expanding Heathrow or building an entirely new airport to replace Heathrow and moving all carriers to it.
Building a new airport would be lovely but Heathrow already has all the infrastructure in place and we've already spent billions upgrading it as it is - what a colossal waste of money to shut it down and demolish it after the construction of Terminal 2 and Terminal 5?
There are obvious downsides to a third runway - but then there are downsides to every option. Whilst the effect on those in the flight path is regrettable the airport was there first and it's important that we have the connectivity we need (and attract valuable connecting passengers, too).
This has dragged on for too long, they need to make the decision and get it done. I can't imagine any other country would have faffed about for so long.
Birmingham doesn't have the breadth of service availability that Heathrow does. I'd love to fly from Birmingham, I live nowhere near London and it's quicker and easier to get to Birmingham but every time I end up using Heathrow as Birmingham just doesn't serve many important destinations and doesn't have anything like the service frequency to some of the places it does serve. It doesn't even properly serve the USA - a handful of fairly rubbish narrowbody flights a day, big wow.
Which is fine, because it's not meant to be our main hub airport.
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Have you driven around the A1 > A10 > M11 > A12 section of the M25 recently at peak hours?
Chronic would a small improvement.
Politicians need to be “courageous”.
Short term; Additional runways urgently needed at Gatwick and Heathrow.
Long-term; Brand new airport to replace either or/both Gatwick/Heathrow, whether it be Boris island or some other visionary idea.
Short term; Additional runways urgently needed at Gatwick and Heathrow.
Long-term; Brand new airport to replace either or/both Gatwick/Heathrow, whether it be Boris island or some other visionary idea.
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The Piccadilly line is massively over crowded every day (I use it) as the Heathrow Express is over priced and people don't realise you can get a nice train, for a lot less money, from Paddington. Driving is a nightmare also. Boris Island would have been my choice. I live about 10 miles from Heathrow and by the way I am not really affected by the noise.
It will never happen as the good folks of Richmond, Chiswick and Windsor (rich) will object.
It will never happen as the good folks of Richmond, Chiswick and Windsor (rich) will object.