Help - I need a good air cooler [P5B Deluxe/e6300]

Big.Wayne

Big.Wayne

Big.Wayne

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Hi,

I've had my CD2 system up and running for two days now, everything still running at stock. I have had a problem trying to get the Core2 Duo chip to run cool using a Arctic Freezer 7 Pro and despite flashing the BIOS and two or three attempts at reseating the heatsink and reapplying the TIM, it is still running too hot for my tastes . . .

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IDLE/LOAD - e6300 - ASUS P5B Deluxe - Arctic Freezer 7 Pro [Max] 2700 RPM's LOUD! (54°C load @stock wtf?)


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IDLE/LOAD - e6300 - ASUS P5B Deluxe - Arctic Freezer 7 Pro [Min] 1060 RPM's Quiet.

I'm not sure if this Arctic cooler I have is faulty but it just isn't cooling this chip properly, especially when the fan is running at low rpms (How anyone could use this thing at full whack is beyond me??) I think its a perfect HSF for keeping a stock CPU cool and running very quietly (1000rpms) but Its not gonna cut it for overclocking, therefore I have decided to get myself something decent . . .

I have been reading through a lot of posts here and also reading a ton of web reviews and I'm still not sure which heatsink to mount on my ASUS P5B Deluxe Wifi?


There are some things which are important to me:

  • Attaches to the mobo via screws and a backplate

  • Choice of fans, preferably 120mm

  • Keep my e6300 cOOl :cool:

  • Fits easily inside my tower case :p

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I have looked at the Tuniq Tower 120, Scythe Ninja, Thermalright Ultra 120 etc and am leaning towards the Ulta 120 atm. The Tuniq looks mentally big and I dont think it will be an easy fit into the case above. I am also considering some whacky like an XP90c with 120mm fan on zalman fan bracket (I think copper is good).

I want to be able to have access to various components inside my system without having loads of hassle, the thought of having to remove the CPU HSF to install a new harddrive or memory is a nightmare, I want as easy life.

If anyone can help out I would appreciate it, thanks in advance!
 
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Tuniq should be nice, you think maybe OCUK have a bad batch of AC PRO7's i have mine on full speed becuase my P4 rig is like a rocket so i cant hear the AC7 but it kept my temps at about 33idle 44load with akasa thermal paste and just few degrees more with the stuff that come with it... im even going to lap mine so i can oc a bit more. With my OC my temps dont go as high as 55 :).
 
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I'm also looking for the same thing for pretty much the same reaons as Big Wayne... my ACF7 isn't up to scratch.

My temps are 39/36 idle and 52/50 load with the ACF7 on full. I don't think the ACF7 came from OcUK (gf got it for me for xmas, she cudda got it from here I guess) so if it is a bad batch it isn't only the ones that OcUK have!

@Big.Wayne - when you make your decision make sure you tell us what it was and post the results ;)
 
Don't see how the AF 7 can be at fault? it's just a lump of copper with metal fins and a fan! I think the problem lies in the application of the thermal grease or perhaps the chip is not level?
 
Go for the Tuniq, I have just got me new C2D setup :- E6300, DS3, Tuniq, and Crucial 10th Ann Ram, its running at 3290 (7x 470) Temps are 33 Idle and around
49 under full load.

I cant praise the tuniq enough, its just fantastic :)
 
Don't get a Scythe Ninja it doesn't fit properly (To a P5B deluxe) unless you modify the mounting plate.

If I were to get another heat sink I would probably go for the Tuniq Tower from what I've been reading.
 
1337z0r said:
With my OC [E6300@3GHz] my temps dont go as high as 55 :).
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right so I'm getting 54°C load at stock (1.86GHz) with the fan at full blast, something isn't right here?


  • Bad Fitting? - Well I've done it three times now, unlikey
  • Faulty Arctic Freezer 7 Pro? - Dunno, can these things be faulty?
  • Mobo BIOS and TAT reading the temps wrong?
  • Demonic e6300 that is producing too much heat?
  • [edit] Forgot to say that the CPU IHS and the base of the Heatsink appear to be very flat, I did that optical test and the lines are being reflected properly without any distortion.

here is a pic of the TIM application now (3rd time) I used the smallest amount of arctic silver this time and just let the heatsink squash it out, the previous two times I spread a thin even coat over the cpu.

Considering that the arctic used was a tiny dab like 1/2 a piece of rice I would say the contact is fairly even if its squashed it out that that?

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Temps are the same as before, maybe down by 1°C so not sure whats up?
 
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TAT is not wrong I would say, doubtfull at least as it's not a mobo sensor reader but reads for the processor itself.

Hold your C2D to the light and look along parallel to the IHS. Notice any curving. Their is a chart test with a patern on screen/paper which will reflect onto the IHS and show any concave/convex problems. Will try and search for you.

TIM appliance looks ok from here, you only really want it in the centre on a C2D dual core which is what you have done.
 
1337z0r said:
Tuniq should be nice
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Syngress said:
I cant praise the tuniq enough, its just fantastic :)
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yes I was up to the early hours of the morning reading the reviews, it does look good but I dont think it will fit (see pic above). I think the Tuniq is ideal for people with sliding mobo tray but how the heck am I gonna access anything in my system with that HULK installed lol :)

Also not all the reviews of the Tuniq are good. . .

OverClock Intelligence Agency said:
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Test system: Athlon 64 3200+ Venice - DFI NF4 Ultra-D - BFG 7800GT OC - Hiper Type-R 580W - 2x512Mb OCZ EL PC3500 GX - 2x80GB WD SATA

Conclusion:

The results really speak for themselves. Across the board in every configuration, with the Tuniq's fan at minimal (1,000rpm) or at full speed (2,000rpm), the results were all within 1° Celsius of the XP-90C. The fan speed didn't make a very big difference in temperature, but there was a very noticeable difference in noise. The Tuniq was a little louder than the XP-90C when running at full rpm. The fan has the same dba rating, but the air coming through the fins adds some noise as well. When the Tuniq's fan was turned down, it was whisper quiet.

Installation wasn't exactly simple. The motherboard had to be removed, and then when reinstalling I had to remove either my rear exhuasting 120mm fan or my hard drives to fit it back in the case. After installed, there isn't much room left. I would have to remove the Tuniq, which requires removing my motherboard, just to remove a hard drive. In my particular setup, the hard drives cannot be mounted lower for they will interfere with the videocard, with the 7800 series being so long. The mounting bracket wasn't easy at all to bend, and the springs for the thumb screws have a ridiculous amount of tension.

The performance was good, but I would be hesitant to recommend this heatsink unless completely infatuated with it's appearance. While it is an innovative and creative design, a great idea, it just has no edge over a heatsink half it's size. It just creates an unnecessary obstacle to work around inisde of your case. With anything but a full tower case, it's not very practical.
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Mekrel said:
TAT is not wrong I would say, doubtfull at least as it's not a mobo sensor reader but reads for the processor itself.
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Hi Mekrel, That whats it meant to do but I read last night that maybe ASUS mobos are different and the reading is analogue instead (i.e wrong!!). Does TAT only take its results from the CPU die or could it be 'tricked' into picking up an analogue reading?

Mekrel said:
Hold your C2D to the light and look along parallel to the IHS. Notice any curving. Their is a chart test with a patern on screen/paper which will reflect onto the IHS and show any concave/convex problems. Will try and search for you.
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Yeah forgot to say that both the CPU IHS and the Heatsink base appear to be 'very' flat, I did that flatness test and as far as I can see its flat as a flat thing (smooth too!).

The only thing I can really do here is try out another HSF. I do have the stock fan in the box I'm tempted to give that a go, failing that just spash out £40 notes and hope for the best.

Wanna start overclocking this chip asap :(
 
beast said:
Don't see how the AF 7 can be at fault? it's just a lump of copper with metal fins and a fan!
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Hey Beast :)

yeah I know what you mean but its the heatpipes that do all the work here, looking at the arctic freezer pro from the side there is nothing to it:

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If there is a problem with the heatpipes there is no way to get the heat away from the cpu. Strange thing is the heasink isn't getting hot? considering that TAT is telling me the CPU core is at 60°C the heatsink is hardly warm to touch, not even the heatpipes at the base are hot? but the surround PWM chips are scorching hot! :confused:
 
Hey, I have same rig as you by the looks of it. I'm using AC7 and it's keeping under 50 on load clocked to 2.8 which is good, but it's so loud on full I want a quieter heatsink. Will keep watching this thread for ideas/opinions.
 
That case looks like a Chieftec Dragon or one of the various clones and if that is the case I have no doubt that a Tuniq Tower would fit in there perfectly well. I own both and the Chieftec has more than enough width to house the Tuniq. I don't use both together but you just know these things.
 
Big.Wayne said:
Strange thing is the heasink isn't getting hot? considering that TAT is telling me the CPU core is at 60°C the heatsink is hardly warm to touch, not even the heatpipes at the base are hot? but the surround PWM chips are scorching hot! :confused:
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That was the same with me..! But now I've lapped and applied my micron-thin coating of AS5 it's "better" still not great though. (~40 idle rather than 52 idle, and about 52 on full load).

When looking at the flatness of the CPU, it's the edges and corners you wanna look out for. If one (or all) of them are raised, then it will be holding the heatsink up very slightly but enough for it not to make proper flat contact. Just look out for a slight wobble in the lines near the edges and corners. Remember that you want the HSF and IHS to be really flat on each other..!

Also, applying the AS5 like that probably isn't great - looks like the core on the right might not be getting enough.
 
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Run out of Isopropyl Alcohol (to clean up the CPU) so will have to leg it to Tottenham Court Road road in the morning to get a can of Servisol IPA 170 (if I can find one). What ya reckon, looks like a beast, lt's a body builder like the Tuniq just a little bit more 'ripped' :D

When I took it out the box the metal (particularly the base!) felt like it had been in a fridge, good omen! ;)
 
I had a Tuniq on my E6600 @ 3.2.
Temp: Idle 36-39. Load 45-49.

I have used many coolers on C2Ds including the Arctic Freezer 7 Pro & I have to say the Tuniq is the best. IMO Arctic Freezer 7 Pro is rubbish.

Wayne let us know how the Noctua
 
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