I haven't tried revving it as far as it will go but it doesn't tail off at 4k, it feels much more petrol like and is still pulling strong at that point.
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I haven't tried revving it as far as it will go but it doesn't tail off at 4k, it feels much more petrol like and is still pulling strong at that point.
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It does pull well to 4k but it drops off quickly shortly after. If you use 3rd gear with the 150cdti flat out the engine will not pull past 4.5k the 180ttid will rev to 5k going by the youtube videos.
Looking at your photos I can't see how it can be anything other than the 150 engine, the second turbo sits in the gap that is above the heatsheild in your photo.
I'll try third next time I'm out.
It's either an unusual clerical mess up that's happened on several cars which are for sale at the moment or a mechanical redesign and badging quirk.
The latter seems more likely to me but I'll need to find something definitive
Well, a few more nails in the coffin - notably the EGR valve being different and the lack of twin exhausts. Need to get down to Saab to clarify in the morning, but if we assume it is in fact a 150, I'm torn about what to do.
Obviously, I could keep it or push to return it. I like the car, I think its a great drive and its in extremely good condition. I think the power delivery is very good for a diesel and it does what I wanted it to do from a car. I could push the dealer for compensation for the difference in value (Circa ~700 according to Glasses)
Alternatively, if I like this I'm bound to like the TTiD even more, it was a TTiD I set out to find and is what I paid for. The TTiD is better on fuel and apparently more reliable. However, the dealer took a p/x so I'm not sure what they would/could offer - I'm guessing they'd offer another car from their forecourt of similar value.
If I do keep it, what should I then do about the details? I assume the right thing to do would be to notify the DVLA and my insurance company. Presumably I'd pay less for insurance although I think the tax would be slightly higher. Would this show up on an HPI check as a change of details? This would affect the resale too, so I could just "play dumb" but I'm not too keen on that.
So what would you do?
Obviously, I could keep it or push to return it. I like the car, I think its a great drive and its in extremely good condition. I think the power delivery is very good for a diesel and it does what I wanted it to do from a car. I could push the dealer for compensation for the difference in value (Circa ~700 according to Glasses)
Alternatively, if I like this I'm bound to like the TTiD even more, it was a TTiD I set out to find and is what I paid for. The TTiD is better on fuel and apparently more reliable. However, the dealer took a p/x so I'm not sure what they would/could offer - I'm guessing they'd offer another car from their forecourt of similar value.
If I do keep it, what should I then do about the details? I assume the right thing to do would be to notify the DVLA and my insurance company. Presumably I'd pay less for insurance although I think the tax would be slightly higher. Would this show up on an HPI check as a change of details? This would affect the resale too, so I could just "play dumb" but I'm not too keen on that.
So what would you do?
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What are they required to do though, regards the trade in?
My invoice shows that I bought a "Saab 9-3 VECTOR SPORT TID 1.9" (The advert was definitely for a TTiD though) for £6000 less £3000 part exchange.
It is a dilemma - I'm starting my new job in a few days time so I need a car. I like this car and it was a great find in regards to condition etc. It's a fair price for a TiD and I'm more than happy with how it drives. So logically, I should just keep it and get on with my life. But there is a principal involved - I'm sure it was bought in good faith by the dealer - they have advertised exactly what the car is registered as, but the liability is still with them
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Of course, I did notice it but I had already seen other cars on autotrader with the same badging. It just seemed that it was a badging quirk rather than anything untoward. There are Vector Sports with Aero badges out there. My dad's old Aero Turbo Edition had Vector door sills! Badging wasnt thier strong point, especially later in their life!
The car checks out as a TTiD everywhere, so it was a curiosity rather than any alarm bells
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If by 'the advert' you mean AutoTrader, chances are it was just filled in automatically and they weren't paying much attention and didn't notice the advert said TTiD.
Sounds like they were aware it was a TiD if that's what they've invoiced you for.
Sounds like they were aware it was a TiD if that's what they've invoiced you for.
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The advert is e&oe surely, it's the documentation and inspection you need to go by. If the advert's the only thing making you think you were buying a TTiD, then I'd say it's tough.
The badge says TiD, not TTiD.
Badge on the back correctly identified the car...
The advert, v5, HPI check etc all said TTiD.
The badge, as I mentioned, could well have been an oddity (especially as my research showed one or 2 others with that badge). It's perfectly plausible that early TTiDs were badged TiD - there's not exactly a wealth of information on the subject available!
The service book says "vector sport diesel"
The invoice, well, I missed it - I should have seen that and asked the question but I didn't. Not exactly the worst mistake of my life.
The only other clue is the co2 output is correct for the TiD, but again it's not really the sort of thing you check when buying a car.
I don't feel ripped off per-se, looking at values it does look like I've paid TiD price for the car and I am happy with what I've got for the money.
I think the dealer filled out their stock list based on what the car said in the back and didn't really notice that there was another T on the v5, it's not like it said it was a fiat punto.
I'll be calling them tomorrow to make them aware of it but im not expecting much, I'm not getting the impression they've done anything other than act in good faith.
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It is basically the Fiat 1.9JTD. The engine should have some markings on it identifying it's type. Z19DTH for the single Turbo, Z19DTR for the twin.
Looking at it my gut feeling it is the single turbo.
Looking at it my gut feeling it is the single turbo.
Well I've got to the bottom of this. I spoke to Arval, the lease company who owned it before me. The HPI showed outstanding finance but the invoice from the dealer states that it is guaranteed clear and they will take liability if it isnt. They confirmed that there isnt any outstanding finance and that they did order a TiD 150. As the tax was correct, it was never noticed that the v5 was wrong.
So, a call to the dealer. They were under the impression that it was a TiD too due to the details that were given for the sale and just didnt notice the v5 and hence what had appeared on the advert. They were very apologetic but did point out that it was priced as a TiD (which, looking at values I dont dispute).
They did offer either £300 refund or installation of a Superchips Bluefin (178bhp) and a tank of fuel for my troubles.
So lesson learned, I shouldnt have assumed that the badges were a Saab oddity and taken the v5 as gospel. Never encountered an incorrect v5 before, but I've read something like 1 in 5!
Unsure whether to take the superchips or the cash now. It's going in to fix the sagging drivers seat bolster this morning (£80) and I'd like to fix the small crack on the rear bumper to make it perfect. It really doesnt need any more power for my purposes and I'd need to go back to wales for the chip/fuel so I'm inclined to take the cash offer.
So, a call to the dealer. They were under the impression that it was a TiD too due to the details that were given for the sale and just didnt notice the v5 and hence what had appeared on the advert. They were very apologetic but did point out that it was priced as a TiD (which, looking at values I dont dispute).
They did offer either £300 refund or installation of a Superchips Bluefin (178bhp) and a tank of fuel for my troubles.
So lesson learned, I shouldnt have assumed that the badges were a Saab oddity and taken the v5 as gospel. Never encountered an incorrect v5 before, but I've read something like 1 in 5!
Unsure whether to take the superchips or the cash now. It's going in to fix the sagging drivers seat bolster this morning (£80) and I'd like to fix the small crack on the rear bumper to make it perfect. It really doesnt need any more power for my purposes and I'd need to go back to wales for the chip/fuel so I'm inclined to take the cash offer.
It is indeed, but it's also half a day of my time to get up there.
As I said, it doesnt really need it. I was going to have the few blemishes sorted anyway, it would be more useful to me to have those paid for tbh.